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Another reason to legalize?
Today I read that because marijuana is classified as a schedule 1 drug, there can't be proper research done on it. Can't test it on humans.

So if it were legalized then the many many millions of users would be able to get better info on the risks/benefits of use.

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Another reason to legalize?
Today I read that because marijuana is classified as a schedule 1 drug, there can't be proper research done on it. Can't test it on humans.

So if it were legalized then the many many millions of users would be able to get better info on the risks/benefits of use.

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...said everyone that just wants to get high.
 
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The root of all insanity is ignorance? nah...... Insanity is a dysfunctional operation of logic.

This thread is basically insane. Emotional perhaps, but still insane.

So I voted against "legalization of the herb", but because no government has any expertise or fundamental authority, or any justification whatsoever, regulating people's use of stuff. The government can have no authority to do what a single person has no authority to do, because governments can have no power legitimately which is above what people can do personally.

If we want to build a road on our land, that's our business. If ten thousand people want to build some interconnecting roads on their property, that's their business. They might need to buy some strategic parcels, whatever. So as a nation we can build an Interstate, a national railroad or a national canal if we want. All we have to do is legally buy the land and pay for the materials and labor..

"herbs" is a term used with unparalleled insanity. There is no natural plant or plant product that has no effects, zero effects, in any use. This stuff is all "chemicals", and there's no exemption from toxic effects for "natural" chemicals. Sure the stuff we make from stinking petroleum is most toxic, or has residual toxic compounds, but there's no intrinsic virtue in calling anything a "herb"....... It presumes we know how to do something useful, beneficial, with it. But, largely, we really know very little about plant chemicals..... Not much serious research. To get scientists to do serious research, you need serious money. Grants from pharmaceutical corporations or governments with dogs in the fight and expectations for useful results. So they buy the prostitute science. And we still know next to nothing.

legalization of weed means a whole lot of mass stupidity, people paying big bucks to mess with their minds and get ever stupider........

Not a grand idea. Not much better than having authoritarian governance.

People like Biden are authoritarians whose love for idiocy is is unlimited, precisely because they imagine they can tax whatever people want, and pocket a lot of the loot somehow.....
 
Bunch of pot smoking communists!!!!

Let's get this straight. Communist governments regulate more stuff than non-communist governments. And where is the literature that builds the myths of the virtues of communists being "high" rather than dedicated to the cause.
 
@babe why not just treat it like any other herb and just let people grow it? No taxes or anything of that nature.

It'd get a lot of people into gardening and nature which is the single greatest thing I can think of! They'd study fertilizers, insects, weather etc etc It'd be more successful than schools.
 
@babe why not just treat it like any other herb and just let people grow it? No taxes or anything of that nature.

It'd get a lot of people into gardening and nature which is the single greatest thing I can think of! They'd study fertilizers, insects, weather etc etc It'd be more successful than schools.

This is, as are most "Great" ideas, simply an element of continued Statism.

Statism boils down to consensus tyranny, to a kind of State Religion, which induces the unthinking and ignorant among us (virtually all of us) to cling to sime damn false notion of "legitimacy" or another, rendering society incapable of using good sense, if we have any, in making valid personal decisions.

It's the same thing as legalizing polygamy or child abuse. Not to say there are not cases where a husband could actually serve well enough for his wives that they would find the arrangement suitable, or that, say, a parent could not impose an actually good rule on a child which might seem at the time, to the child, as beyond reason.

When we "legalize" spanking or withholding an allowance for a week, or any other form of authoritarian governance, we humans become incorrigible on the subject.

No.

The State has no competence to either decide, or enforce, authoritarianism, even on declaring which herbs are "legal". The State is simply an imbecilic substitute for personal management.
 
This is, as are most "Great" ideas, simply an element of continued Statism.

Statism boils down to consensus tyranny, to a kind of State Religion, which induces the unthinking and ignorant among us (virtually all of us) to cling to sime damn false notion of "legitimacy" or another, rendering society incapable of using good sense, if we have any, in making valid personal decisions.

What in the hell are you talking about? Something completely voluntary is the exact opposite of statism!?!?! I mean wow what are you going on about babe? lol
 
And there is pretty much no solid definition of what autism actually is.

There are a set of standard behaviors that are used in diagnosis, but no single behavior is necessary and there are different sub-classifications for different sets of symptoms. So, this is like saying there is no definition of the human genome.
 
There are a set of standard behaviors that are used in diagnosis, but no single behavior is necessary and there are different sub-classifications for different sets of symptoms. So, this is like saying there is no definition of the human genome.

So yeah, its EXTREMELY VAGUE
 
There are a set of standard behaviors that are used in diagnosis, but no single behavior is necessary and there are different sub-classifications for different sets of symptoms. So, this is like saying there is no definition of the human genome.

So yeah, EXTREMELy vague.
 
What in the hell are you talking about? Something completely voluntary is the exact opposite of statism!?!?! I mean wow what are you going on about babe? lol

"Legal" or "Illegal" does not describe anything "voluntary", It describes an act of law, made up by government and enforced by government.

Not that I want to give totalitarians new ideas, but let's say we're talking about eating mud or rocks. So far the State has not seen an opportunity to tax these natural commodities, though most States declare that the government owns them. There's just no one who real wants to eat mud or rocks, yet.

When you legalize Pot, people like Biden and Hillary and Romney quickly figure out how much tax you should pay when you produce the stuff or buy it. That's what "legal" does for you.

The taxes are not "voluntary", and Statism is never a formula for human rights or a better life.
 
@babe voluntary and untaxed

no room for your statist lecture in that scenario
 
@babe voluntary and untaxed

no room for your statist lecture in that scenario

Pretty hard to even discuss Statist lectures without falling into the pit..... "We".

Eugene Zamyatin, a Russian novelist of the Stalinist era, wrote a wonderful book entitled "We", which somehow overcame the pugilistic bureaucratic imagination and could not be censored outright.

The book mocks society in about the cleverest way I have ever seen. While doing an absolute takedown of "Socialist Realism" propaganda, he was not even sent to the Gulag or killed in some ditch on the outskirts of town.

I see you're obsessed with pot, which is no credit to any intellect.
 
Pretty hard to even discuss Statist lectures without falling into the pit..... "We".

Eugene Zamyatin, a Russian novelist of the Stalinist era, wrote a wonderful book entitled "We", which somehow overcame the pugilistic bureaucratic imagination and could not be censored outright.

The book mocks society in about the cleverest way I have ever seen. While doing an absolute takedown of "Socialist Realism" propaganda, he was not even sent to the Gulag or killed in some ditch on the outskirts of town.

I see you're obsessed with pot, which is no credit to any intellect.

OK, so I have been spending some time in Berkeley lately.

The other day I wandered south into a more business oriented area...... "Urban Mining" sorts of idealized junkyards, which agreed very well with my own views, that once we mine something outta the ground, we should never bury it again. We can care. We can use it again.

Across the street, a large wall was emblazoned with a declaration "Being Black Is Not A Crime". I see lots of declarations like "Science Is Real". I wonder about the intellect behind such declarations. Do people who imagine being Black is a Crime really exist. Even slavers and slaveodrivers didn't think like that. Being Black merely meant there was someone you could buy and have do hard work, and the food and cloth and house they needed made the package a good deal. A lot of slaveowners thought the young black girls were beautiful, and fathered a lot of home-grown "slaves" who had mothers still. Abysmal way to treat anyone, but nobody imagined race was a crime.....

But today's marxists are making being white a crime, actually.

Well, anyway, as I said, above, the common use of weed seems, empirically, to cause bad logic and insjupportable arguments about everything. I highly recommend just not using it.

But in regards to the comments above, I know a lot of local Berkeley folks who grow a little weed and use it themselves, and attribute various notions of benefits to its use. And, a lot of these folks complain to me that legalization has meant corporatization of the market.

Making it legal, with some regulations or some government oversight, is going to drive the small growers who sell off part of their crop lose income. Prices have declined, and will decline a lot more. We are going to have a few very large corporate growers like Monsanto controlling the market.

That is who supports Pelosi in public office. And Biden, and even has-beens like Obama and Hillary. These goons are the political craftsmen of the Totalitarian Fascist State most of you are deceived into supporting.

Along with disallowing the government to make laws like the substance use laws, we must disallow the government from regulating and taxing small growers of anything.

As a moral principle, this ranks right up there with disallowing humans to be held in bondage or enslaved, or kept for child sexual exploitation..... well, any kind of marketing of sex, or human body parts.

That is why I say Xi is worse, already, than Hitler. He is profiting from actually making a business of killing humans for body parts salvage and sale. And his people are kept in circumstances as controlled and exploitative as any Southern Plantation ever was.

And we have morons in our political elites who surpass Chanmberlain's "Peace in Our Time" who have and are helping to build up Chinese economic, production, and military applications of the best technology. And Xi is intending to invade Taiwan and do a genocidal extermination of the Nationalists who won't pretend to be Communists.

Chief among these imbeciles is Joe Biden, along with other Democrates, and even Republicans like McConnell, and romney...... and our local elite Huntsmans.

Great idea...... scream and holler about Russian collusion, an issue less than one thousandth the reality we have with Chinese influence in our politics.

If anything, THC impairs cognitive functions like a realistic sense of urgency or danger. CBD oil is helpful in many ways.
 
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