Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Archie Moses]

My recollection is that the video you link covered a much shorter period of time, which is why you could not see the macing. I might be misremembering.

No. It shows the whole thing, man. Maybe it's clipped a little bit but it's not edited in any way shape or form to be misleading. It's a raw video of the shooting.

I agree it was clear in the video that it was "couple", not "Trumper".

When I first watched the video, at least from my phone, it certainly wasn't clear. I'm hard of hearing. That said, yes that's not what was said in the video. I've admitted it. I'm not stuck on that fact or upset about it being wrong. I posted it and learned more about it which I think is the whole idea behind a discussion forum.

"Couple" was said in context of targeting the two individuals because of their hats, if I'm not mistaken.

It's just odd to me you seemed more concerned about what you can "clearly" hear who many can't more than a dude getting shot dead. Maybe you don't? I don’t know.

Do you understand that context changes meaning? In particular, claiming that a guy is out to shoot 'Trumpers' changes the meaning of why the video was there?

Yes, context changes meaning. I've explained that with the Kenosha shootings while being called an idiot.

Whether it was Trumpers or couple the context seems to show they were targeted or no?

 

[Archie Moses]

 

[Archie Moses]

Volusia Sheriff Offers Job to Man Detained For Fitting Burglary Suspect's Description

The sheriff of Volusia County, Florida, has offered a job to a black man who was detained while jogging on August 27 because he fit a burglary suspect’s description.Joseph Griffin was jogging through his neighborhood in Deltona when he was detained by deputies, who said he fit the description of...

www.yahoo.com

I think the person detained and the cop handled this so well. This could have gone south for no reason. Props.

Different perspective.

 

[One Brow]

"Couple" was said in context of targeting the two individuals because of their hats, if I'm not mistaken.

Might have also been said by the white nationalists about the guys crossing the street.

It's just odd to me you seemed more concerned about what you can "clearly" hear who many can't more than a dude getting shot dead. Maybe you don't? I don’t know.

People keep telling me that it's OK to use guns in self-defense. I'd rather no one had them.

Yes, context changes meaning. I've explained that with the Kenosha shootings while being called an idiot.

You have confused "context" and "circumstances" here.

Whether it was Trumpers or couple the context seems to show they were targeted or no?

Seems to me they targeted the guy crossing the street. You have any reason to say otherwise?

 

[Archie Moses]

Might have also been said by the white nationalists about the guys crossing the street.

People keep telling me that it's OK to use guns in self-defense. I'd rather no one had them.

I'd rather no one had guns. That said, by law in many places, people can use them for self protection whether we agree or disagree.

You have confused "context" and "circumstances" here.

I don't follow. Care to elaborate?

Seems to me they targeted the guy crossing the street. You have any reason to say otherwise?

Are you saying the guy shot dead was targeting Michael Reinoehl? Because, yeah, I've read otherwise.

Antifa-linked Portland shooter appeared to target victim, images show

The self-described antifa member who shot a Trump supporter in Portland last Saturday appears to have targeted his victim, new images show.

nypost.com

 

[One Brow]

I don't follow. Care to elaborate?

Circumstances are events that affect a person's reaction and mindset. Context is the framing of evidence, a claim, or an argument to so it presents a certain point of view.

Are you saying the guy shot dead was targeting Michael Reinoehl? Because, yeah, I've read otherwise.

No, I've been discussing the shooting you linked to below. In that video, if anyone was targeted, it seems like the guy crossing the street.

Oh, that makes it so much better.

It's what witnesses are saying but it's me that needs to get my ears checked. Tbf, I'm half deaf in one ear.


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Portland is a **** hole.

 

[One Brow]

I don't follow. Care to elaborate?

Circumstances are events that affect a person's reaction and mindset. Context is the framing of evidence, a claim, or an argument to so it presents a certain point of view.

Are you saying the guy shot dead was targeting Michael Reinoehl? Because, yeah, I've read otherwise.

No, I've been discussing the shooting you linked to below. In that video, if anyone was targeted, it seems like the guy crossing the street.

Oh, that makes it so much better.

It's what witnesses are saying but it's me that needs to get my ears checked. Tbf, I'm half deaf in one ear.


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Portland is a **** hole.

 

[Archie Moses]

Officer shoots 13-year-old boy with autism after mom calls 911 for help, Utah cops say

“He’s a small child. Why didn’t you just tackle him?”

www.yahoo.com

I really need to stop reading the news and Jazzfanz. Makes me pull my hair out.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Proud boys beating up BLM protesters in Portland.

Two arrested after Trump supporters, Proud Boys clash with far-left demonstrators at Oregon State Capitol

At least two people were arrested Monday after a large caravan of Trump supporters traveled from the Portland suburbs and some clashed with Black Lives Matter protesters outside the Oregon State Capitol.

www.foxnews.com

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[Archie Moses]

Proud boys beating up BLM protesters in Portland.

Two arrested after Trump supporters, Proud Boys clash with far-left demonstrators at Oregon State Capitol

At least two people were arrested Monday after a large caravan of Trump supporters traveled from the Portland suburbs and some clashed with Black Lives Matter protesters outside the Oregon State Capitol.

www.foxnews.com

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Disgusting.

From Portland to Salem to Clackamas. When is Oregon gonna stop this nonsense?

For you sensitive dudes, I have no idea who Sergio is. I shared the tweet because it has video of what was referenced in BP's post.

I fully expect someone to go out of their way to find out who he is and get mad.

 

[The Thriller]

Proud boys beating up BLM protesters in Portland.

Two arrested after Trump supporters, Proud Boys clash with far-left demonstrators at Oregon State Capitol

At least two people were arrested Monday after a large caravan of Trump supporters traveled from the Portland suburbs and some clashed with Black Lives Matter protesters outside the Oregon State Capitol.

www.foxnews.com

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I bet Archie will post a lot of videos criticizing proud boys. After all, he’s not alt right and just wants to get to the truth.

 

[The Thriller]

You won’t see this on any doctored Facebook video.

Whistleblower accuses Trump appointees of downplaying Russian interference and White supremacist threat

A whistleblower is alleging that top political appointees in the Department of Homeland Security repeatedly instructed career officials to modify intelligence assessments to suit President Donald Trump's agenda by downplaying Russia's efforts to interfere in the US and the threat posed by White...

www.cnn.com

Washington (CNN)A whistleblower is alleging that top political appointees in the Department of Homeland Security repeatedly instructed career officials to modify intelligence assessments to ensure they matched up with misleading public comments from President Donald Trump

Specifically, acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf and Acting Director of US Citizenship and Immigration Ken Cuccinelli, both Trump appointees, directed officials to change intelligence assessments based on Trump's political rhetoric, an order the whistleblower says amounted to an abuse of authority, according to the documents.

Both Wolf and Cuccinelli also tried to alter a report to downplay the threat posed by White supremacists and instead emphasize the role of leftist groups due to concerns about how the initial language would reflect on the President, according to a source familiar with the claims raised by the whistleblower

 

[BabyPeterzz]

A good read for the white men on this site. So like....most of us.

The Violent Defense of White Male Supremacy

Trump and his supporters are defending an America where white men can rule and brutalize without consequence.

www.theatlantic.com

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[Scat]

Disgusting.

From Portland to Salem to Clackamas. When is Oregon gonna stop this nonsense?

For you sensitive dudes, I have no idea who Sergio is. I shared the tweet because it has video of what was referenced in BP's post.

I fully expect someone to go out of their way to find out who he is and get mad.

You're an alt-right hack.

 

[The Thriller]

the police don’t seem very good at this de-escalation thing. And they wonder why communities don’t trust them???



This situation could've easily escalated into yet another brutal murder of a POC.

And this is exactly why so many POC are in prison today. Cops ask inappropriate questions and conduct inappropriate searches. If he had a few ounces of weed in his car he could be looking at years in prison and a felony. That would disqualify him from government benefits after prison, saddle him with debt, and make it almost impossible to go to school or get a decent job.

Our system needs sooooo much reform.

 

[The Thriller]

But antifa and the left want to create a dictatorship or something



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Real normal stuff.

 

[Red]

Cops Are Using Over $1 Billion in Post-9/11 Military Gear

From mine-resistant vehicles to robots to semi-automatic weapons, a new study documents the Pentagon hardware still in police custody during a generation-long war.

www.thedailybeast.com

Here is the full study, from the Watson Institute at Brown University:

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2020/Police%20Militarization_Costs%20of%20War_Sept%2016%202020.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3W0S6TfHyHY5Uz0qRMHzSwREtTDSbA3tecThDCTH1SxlxtRhb-xYY2SCQ

 

[Beer]

the police don’t seem very good at this de-escalation thing. And they wonder why communities don’t trust them???



This situation could've easily escalated into yet another brutal murder of a POC.

And this is exactly why so many POC are in prison today. Cops ask inappropriate questions and conduct inappropriate searches. If he had a few ounces of weed in his car he could be looking at years in prison and a felony. That would disqualify him from government benefits after prison, saddle him with debt, and make it almost impossible to go to school or get a decent job.

Our system needs sooooo much reform.

IDK, both sides are being so childish. I watched a video yesterday about the cops yanking a 20 ish year old girl out of her car and arresting her for no reason and she allegedly didn't get out because she was handicapped and needed a wheelchair.

Then I find the FULL video and that's not even close to the truth. The cop was extremely patient, she was breaking the law, being combative, and he gave her 20 chances to comply with his reasonable demands. Then he pulls her out and arrests her, and she walks just fine.

Here is the full video if you are interested.



So basically you can't trust either side imo.

 

[LogGrad98]

IDK, both sides are being so childish. I watched a video yesterday about the cops yanking a 20 ish year old girl out of her car and arresting her for no reason and she allegedly didn't get out because she was handicapped and needed a wheelchair.

Then I find the FULL video and that's not even close to the truth. The cop was extremely patient, she was breaking the law, being combative, and he gave her 20 chances to comply with his reasonable demands. Then he pulls her out and arrests her, and she walks just fine.

Here is the full video if you are interested.



So basically you can't trust either side imo.

Remember, never comply is the rallying cry.

 

[Beer]

Remember, never comply is the rallying cry.

Not ideal. I get where POC are coming from but also unles you want to end up like **** hole NYC, the police are needed. Everyone needs to chill and get this figured out or it will only compound.