I think the debates are worthy of a thread.
Thoughts?...
Thoughts?...
2020 Presidential Debates
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One of the most messy, chaotic spectacles I've ever seen. Probably a wash, I guess. I'm not sure it changed many people's opinions.
Trump was throwing his weight around and asserting his view very aggressively. He was needling and heckling at Joe. You could interpret that as a powerful expression of his convictions or just plain annoying. Joe then got down in the mud and started interrupting as well.
Biden was strong at the beginning talking about Trump's handling of covid, but he didn't offer anything concrete as an alternative recourse.
Trump was strongest on law & order, calling out Antifa and asking Joe to name one police organization that endorsed him. Joe took the Jerry Nadler position and said that Antifa doesn't really exist, and he said that "we don't have time" for him to talk about police who support him.
Trump also did well in making a case for keeping the cities open rather than locking them down for covid. I think this is actually a bigger issue in the election than a lot of pundits are saying. A lot of people are not happy with the lockdowns, they're tired of them, and a lot of people might express that with their vote.
Trump was throwing his weight around and asserting his view very aggressively. He was needling and heckling at Joe. You could interpret that as a powerful expression of his convictions or just plain annoying. Joe then got down in the mud and started interrupting as well.
Biden was strong at the beginning talking about Trump's handling of covid, but he didn't offer anything concrete as an alternative recourse.
Trump was strongest on law & order, calling out Antifa and asking Joe to name one police organization that endorsed him. Joe took the Jerry Nadler position and said that Antifa doesn't really exist, and he said that "we don't have time" for him to talk about police who support him.
Trump also did well in making a case for keeping the cities open rather than locking them down for covid. I think this is actually a bigger issue in the election than a lot of pundits are saying. A lot of people are not happy with the lockdowns, they're tired of them, and a lot of people might express that with their vote.
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The Thriller
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Biden proved he’s the adult in the room. He showed great patience and composure. When he was allowed to speak for longer than 10 seconds without being interrupted, he was interesting and coherent. I loved when he looked into the camera and spoke to the oublic as trump ranted.
Trump spent the night throwing his own feces all over the place.
Trump is behind. He needed to win over voters tonight? Who did he win over tonight by yelling over Biden, arguing with Wallace, and asking the proud boys to “stand by?”
I think Biden solidified his lead tonight. Trump showed voters once again that he’s unhinged and out of control. He has no ideas. Nothing to offer other than abusing our norms and killing off more Americans.
Trump spent the night throwing his own feces all over the place.
Trump is behind. He needed to win over voters tonight? Who did he win over tonight by yelling over Biden, arguing with Wallace, and asking the proud boys to “stand by?”
I think Biden solidified his lead tonight. Trump showed voters once again that he’s unhinged and out of control. He has no ideas. Nothing to offer other than abusing our norms and killing off more Americans.
JazzyFresh
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Meh from both
The Thriller
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You know trump got his *** kicked when even his trumpiest followers aren’t calling this a win.
Jazz4ever
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No one learned anything new here. Trump's best moment probably asking Biden to name one law enforcement organization that supported him (he had nothing). Biden looked ok I thought, but he was likely on adderall so the man we saw tonight wouldn't be the same one running the country.
JazzyFresh
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He didn't need to win the silent majority is against Democrats terrorist platform. America saw what side Joe was on.
zyzz
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Trump wouldn't condemn white supremacists and told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by." According to the FBI, the Proud Boys are an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism.” The FBI has also stated since the early 2000s that right wing extremist groups are our most serious domestic terrorism threat.
Per FBI director Christopher Wray
Trump disagreed
The Proud Boys are quite excited about the President's ringing endorsement
Then Trump told his people to "go into the polls and watch very carefully." He already had supporters in Virginia intimidating voters (a felony btw) and is encouraging it even more.
Per FBI director Christopher Wray
Trump disagreed
The Proud Boys are quite excited about the President's ringing endorsement
Then Trump told his people to "go into the polls and watch very carefully." He already had supporters in Virginia intimidating voters (a felony btw) and is encouraging it even more.
zyzz
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These TV/internet quick polls don't mean anything really. If they did, Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders would have ran away with their primaries every time they ran.
zyzz
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Why do Republicans call themselves the "silent majority?" Clearly they are the very loud minority based on the popular votes the past several decades and just about every poll out there
This is what happened in the Republican primaries as well back in 2016. Trump was on stage with a row full of polished, polite politicians, and he starts making these bold, brash, combative statements. He interrupts people. Trump is a bully. He's a jerk. That's actually what a lot of people like about him. It makes him seem genuine.
zyzz
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But now that he has has his established base who are voting for him no matter what, will this really help him? I don't think his style of debating is going to help him pick up undecided voters, and I definitely don't think he will be swaying Biden supporters with that performance.
JazzyFresh
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Ummm the silent majority is why Trump was down to Hillary but won. It's called the "SILENT majority" for a reason. The silent majority is not Republican no, they are true blue collar Americans that just want to live not be terrorized by anti police, looting, and violence perpetrated by the alt left.
The rest of the topics didn't move the needle.
The Thriller
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I don’t think The outlook on Donald’s debate performance is going to improve much over the next few days.
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For me it makes him genuinely seem like a bully and jerk. I'm not a fan of bullies or jerks. It's weird that anyone is.
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If you're asking me, here's where I think Trump gets traction:
-- He tells working class people that he will protect their jobs from bad trade deals, excessive regulations, clean energy initiatives, and excessive lockdowns.
-- He tells middle-class and suburban people that he will protect their 401ks by keeping the economy moving.
-- He tells everyone that he will support police and shut down the riots.
-- He tells people that he's working with the private sector to fast track a covid vaccine, something that everyone supposedly wanted.
These are the core issues that really hit home for people, and I think he's doing well with these issues. If you're someone who cares about his childish demeanor, his taking advantage of tax loopholes, or if you think systemic racism is a big issue in this election, then you're not going to vote for Trump to begin with.
If Trump gets re-elected, I think it will be because:
1) people believe in him leading an economic recovery
2) people believe he won't allow riots to spread
3) people think these lockdowns are excessive and don't want Joe to impose another national lockdown.
Unless he's a bully and a jerk who will fight for you. That's what got him elected in 2016.