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I Don't Want Clarkson Back

Handlogten's Heros said:
Or when they cut it to a 15 game sample when he started making shots and say "see he just needed time". Or its that you can limit the sample size and make players look how you want. Again, Ricky had better shooting splits and raw numbers over the same period of time.
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Did you hear that Conley gained 15 lbs of muscle even during this short offseason?
 
Catchall said:
Jazz apparently like him. He's instant offense off the bench, and he even passes the ball now and again.
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I think (maybe this is more hope) that it's just the Jazz being smart about asset management. It's better to keep JC, hopefully on a good deal, then let him go for nothing. If JC has another year similar to last season statistically he could fetch a late first rounder from a contender come trade deadline.

Also, I'm still slightly perplexed by how much Snyder didnt like Burks compared to how much of a greenlight JC gets. I know a big bulk of it is Clarkson's shot math is much better (he takes a higher volume of "good" shots), but Clarkson is still a terrible team player and I just have a hard time Snyder is truly in love with that as much as he just saw it as a Band-Aid. Time will tell.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You actually do get more points for being within the system, it's called making your teammates better and is a huge part of winning basketball.
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So is having guys that get their own damn buckets! So if Mike is so great at getting others involved and plays with the starters more than the bench how come our offensive rating was 112.2 with him on the court and 116.7 with JC on the court.

Sometimes your teammates aren't as good at putting the ball in the basket... so let's not get them involved. Houston built an amazing efficient offense built on iso-ball. There are a lot of ways to get it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So is having guys that get their own damn buckets! So if Mike is so great at getting others involved and plays with the starters more than the bench how come our offensive rating was 112.2 with him on the court and 116.7 with JC on the court.

Sometimes your teammates aren't as good at putting the ball in the basket... so let's not get them involved. Houston built an amazing efficient offense built on iso-ball. There are a lot of ways to get it.
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I understand all of that. I just don't think Jordan Clarkson is that guy. He was a band-aid, not a solution. It's time to move on unless they really think his value is enough to flip down the line. They will be hurting the overall ceiling of the team by continuing with him though instead of going with a guy like JH.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think (maybe this is more hope) that it's just the Jazz being smart about asset management. It's better to keep JC, hopefully on a good deal, then let him go for nothing. If JC has another year similar to last season statistically he could fetch a late first rounder from a contender come trade deadline.

Also, I'm still slightly perplexed by how much Snyder didnt like Burks compared to how much of a greenlight JC gets. I know a big bulk of it is Clarkson's shot math is much better (he takes a higher volume of "good" shots), but Clarkson is still a terrible team player and I just have a hard time Snyder is truly in love with that as much as he just saw it as a Band-Aid. Time will tell.
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Maybe Snyder is getting smarter and realizing mistakes he made. I think JC is much more reliable. AB takes that extra few dribble to nowhere whereas JC just goes to get his and does it without hesitation. I think coaches trust guys more when they feel like they know what they are getting.
 
I just think he could be so much more valuable if he was a more willing passer. Like I get that he's a scorer and it's his job to come in off the bench and get buckets but he misses so many guys that are standing wide open while he's going up against two or three defenders. A little less dribbling and shooting and a little more passing would make the team even more effective when he's on the floor IMO.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I understand all of that. I just don't think Jordan Clarkson is that guy. He was a band-aid, not a solution. It's time to move on unless they really think his value is enough to flip down the line. They will be hurting the overall ceiling of the team by continuing with him though instead of going with a guy like JH.
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Sometimes when you have a cut... a band aid is the best solution. JC is a band aid and will be paid like a band aid. If his price is over $10M a year I will hesitate a bit... I think the biggest thing hurting this teams ceiling is the 34M we are paying to Mike and him not playing like the guy we thought we were getting.
 
Jingled said:
I just think he could be so much more valuable if he was a more willing passer. Like I get that he's a scorer and it's his job to come in off the bench and get buckets but he misses so many guys that are standing wide open while he's going up against two or three defenders. A little less dribbling and shooting and a little more passing would make the team even more effective when he's on the floor IMO.
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Yeah, but part of the reason he is good at scoring is that he doesnt look at anything but the rim.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sometimes when you have a cut... a band aid is the best solution. JC is a band aid and will be paid like a band aid. If his price is over $10M a year I will hesitate a bit... I think the biggest thing hurting this teams ceiling is the 34M we are paying to Mike and him not playing like the guy we thought we were getting.
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I dont care about his salary in regards to the cap. If you pay him 10 vs 13 it's nbd if the plan is to keep him. I worry more about the salary because the only upside I see in signing him is trading him. That's where salary really matters at this point.

And Conley is going to be that guy next year like he was that guy late in the season.
 
Throwing out something that is working because it is imperfect is fairly dumb. If it was perfect it would cost a lot more.
 
JC's instant offense was what we needed off the bench and he delivered when he came to the Jazz. Before the trade, we sucked big time getting points from the bench. I'm still all for bringing JC back.
 
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