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Conley is in Covid protocol after being in close contact with a family member who tested positive. Will he miss any games? This isn’t good news he will at the very least miss practice time and get off to another slow start.

He'll still have two full weeks of practices before regular-season games start.
 
Sorry, I'm talking out of my *** here. This isn't news....but it makes all the sense in the world. This is most logical way the Jazz are getting under the tax.

They traded down to #27 from #23 ostensibly to pay him a little less and to pick up a 2nd rounder. Dok's salary is $1.977M, which is in line with other late 1st rounders.
 
They traded down to #27 from #23 ostensibly to pay him a little less and to pick up a 2nd rounder. Dok's salary is $1.977M, which is in line with other late 1st rounders.

$1.97M is 120% of the rookie scale. Which is standard for all first rounders. But he can sign for as little as 80% of the scale. If he signs for less than 120%, the Jazz will get under the tax by cutting NWG or Morgan.
 
Udoka was drafted because he agreed to get paid like a second rounder. @stitches is right.

Although...it probably would have made more sense to just trade down again for more seconds and take him in the second round.
I also want to point out that we are in no hurry to get under the tax. We can do it any time before the end of the fiscal year. We can do it at the trade deadline too. Some of those end of the roster guys' salaries have later date for full guarantee of their salary too. So it's possible we start with all of them but cut one or more of them before they become fully guaranteed and before the pro-rated portion of their salary push us over the tax.

Something else to keep an eye on is Rudy's incentives. Imagine if he gets injured and misses 2 months of the season. It's possible some of his incentives that are now deemed "likely" and currently count toward the salary cap and luxury tax, ultimately drop out of the calculation and push us under.
 
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I also want to point out that we are in no hurry to get under the tax. We can do it any time before the end of the fiscal year. We can do it at the trade deadline too. Some of those end of the roster guys' salaries have later date for full guarantee of their salary too. So it's possible we start with all of them but cut one or more of them before they become fully guaranteed and before the pro-rated portion of their salary push us over the tax.

Something else to keep an eye on is Rudy's incentives. Imagine if he gets injured and misses 2 months of the season. It's possible some of his incentives that are now deemed "likely" and currently count toward the salary cap and luxury tax, ultimately drop out of the calculation and push us under.
Solid post
 
I also want to point out that we are in no hurry to get under the tax. We can do it any time before the end of the fiscal year. We can do it at the trade deadline too. Some of those end of the roster guys' salaries have later date for full guarantee of their salary too. So it's possible we start with all of them but cut one or more of them before they become fully guaranteed and before the pro-rated portion of their salary push us over the tax.

Something else to keep an eye on is Rudy's incentives. Imagine if he gets injured and misses 2 months of the season. It's possible some of his incentives that are now deemed "likely" and currently count toward the salary cap and luxury tax, ultimately drop out of the calculation and push us under.
I know I don't fully understand how the luxury tax is figured/applied, but I'm wondering if this is an accurate representation of how things can change in regard to whether we're liable or not for the luxury tax? Are you speaking from expertise or hope here? (Can anyone here speak with expertise? -- sincere question). Particularly:
  • Whether Rudy's (or anyone else's ) "likely" incentives can change throughout the course of the season in terms of luxury-tax impact
  • Whether the non-guaranteed guys can be cut without replacement in a way that allows us to get under the tax? (The only way I've thought possible based on my limited understanding is to cut two non-guaranteed guys within a month of the season starting and carefully use 10-days and 2-week grace periods thereafter to fill in the required roster requirements. But I'm not even sure that this is actually a realistic/valid method.)
 
I know I don't fully understand how the luxury tax is figured/applied, but I'm wondering if this is an accurate representation of how things can change in regard to whether we're liable or not for the luxury tax? Are you speaking from expertise or hope here? (Can anyone here speak with expertise? -- sincere question). Particularly:
  • Whether Rudy's (or anyone else's ) "likely" incentives can change throughout the course of the season in terms of luxury-tax impact
  • Whether the non-guaranteed guys can be cut without replacement in a way that allows us to get under the tax? (The only way I've thought possible based on my limited understanding is to cut two non-guaranteed guys within a month of the season starting and carefully use 10-days and 2-week grace periods thereafter to fill in the required roster requirements. But I'm not even sure that this is actually a realistic/valid method.)
First of all - not an expert, so take it for whatever it is.

From what I know for bookkeeping purposes during the season, at the beginning of the fiscal year the contracts that include incentives include all incentives that are deemed likely, and exclude all incentives that are deemed not likely. if I'm not mistaken "likely" incentive is one that the player did cover the requirements for in the previous season and unlikely are the ones that he did not. For example(not real example, just for illustration purposes), lets say Rudy has incentives in his contract for playing 50+ games. If he did play 50 last year, for bookkeeping purposes they will include that incentive in the salary cap during the season. Lets say he has an incentive for being DPOY. This incentive will be deemed unlikely and won't be included in the calculations during the season because he didn't become DPOY last year. This all is for bookkeeping, for apron and hard cap numbers, etc. Ultimately whether we pay tax or not is decided at the end of the year when we will know which incentives exactly the players hit, which ones they didn't. Note - it's possible that our salary cap drops(if players don't hit some likely incentives), BUT it's also possible it jumps up if they hit some unlikely incentives.

On the second one - I don't know. I would assume yes, BUT, it also is probably very reliant on the exact numbers. I'm still seeing discrepancy in the numbers being calculated by several different outlets so I don't know which one is real. Some say we are 1M over, others 1.7M... some have it at 1.9M.
 
First of all - not an expert, so take it for whatever it is.

From what I know for bookkeeping purposes during the season, at the beginning of the fiscal year the contracts that include incentives include all incentives that are deemed likely, and exclude all incentives that are deemed not likely. if I'm not mistaken "likely" incentive is one that the player did cover the requirements for in the previous season and unlikely are the ones that he did not. For example(not real example, just for illustration purposes), lets say Rudy has incentives in his contract for playing 50+ games. If he did play 50 last year, for bookkeeping purposes they will include that incentive in the salary cap during the season. Lets say he has an incentive for being DPOY. This incentive will be deemed unlikely and won't be included in the calculations during the season because he didn't become DPOY last year. This all is for bookkeeping, for apron and hard cap numbers, etc. Ultimately whether we pay tax or not is decided at the end of the year when we will know which incentives exactly the players hit, which ones they didn't. Note - it's possible that our salary cap drops(if players don't hit some likely incentives), BUT it's also possible it jumps up if they hit some unlikely incentives.

On the second one - I don't know. I would assume yes, BUT, it also is probably very reliant on the exact numbers. I'm still seeing discrepancy in the numbers being calculated by several different outlets so I don't know which one is real. Some say we are 1M over, others 1.7M... some have it at 1.9M.
Thanks for the answer. I'm willing to bet that you know more about these things than I do, so I appreciate you explaining your understanding. It does make some sense if the likely/non-likely incentives are calculated as you suggest. Agree on the second part -- the exact numbers are vital here, and I'm not sure we've seen any numbers that we can fully trust (though I agree with @Handlogten's Heros that Dan Clayton's spreadsheet is probably the most trustworthy public source we have -- I think he's saying 1.9M).
 
Oni and Morgan got official love from the Jazz Organization today. Holy Royce O'Neil.
The Jazz know they need economical end-of-bench guys if they're going to pay out 3 max salaries to Conley, Gobert and Mitchell. Even though that scenario is a year from now, the Jazz FO needs to get cracking on it asap.
 
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