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Hunter is clownshoes. He needs to stop pretending he knows best and preaching the hive mind. Time to send out the ballot. Tell players, "If I can negotiate 51, would you rather take that than hold out for 53?" In private voting, I guarantee his constituency, you know, the guys he's advocating for, would tell him to get the deal done.
 
GVC said:
What? Why wouldn't the league be competitive?
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Being that it would be full of all star players they would need the support of all the other mid level players that make those extra push in games. Those players would end up staying in the nba because they would make more money there. They would have to find some miracle to be able to get those players and coaches. So the support and money is what it will take but it will fail because you will be competing with the nba. Players couldn't keep up that in the end. The league would be mixed with all star nba players against college players. Something like a new league would have to take a lot of time over the years to make. I wouldn't mind watching more basketball but there is a good chance you wouldn't see utah have a second team. Nba just has too much control in the end and is world wide.
 
Shad said:
Game over. Farewell season.
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...well, look at it this way. The Jazz weren't going to compete anyway. They would probably lose about 50 plus games. We're not a hopper type team and we're not a fundamentally sound team either. We are a "tweener!" We have no real identity anymore. We lack athleticism....we lack basketball brains, we lack alot of stuff! It's best the whole season is cancelled....and put us all out of our misery!
 
The players have the collective intelligence of a sack of hammers. They have zero leverage and zero chance of outlasting the owners in a war of wills. At this point they deserve whatever paltry settlement they will ultimately get.
 
...Stern is about to pull the "Dutch" move! Don't sign by Dec?...it's now 51/49 owners. Don't sign by Jan? It's now 52/48 owners! Don't sign by Feb? It's now 53/47 owners!
Those boys with all the various payments will be so willing to sign by then that the owners will have gotten EVERYTHING they wanted and then some!
 
ianfaith said:
The players have the collective intelligence of a sack of hammers. They have zero leverage and zero chance of outlasting the owners in a war of wills. At this point they deserve whatever paltry settlement they will ultimately get.
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...you got that right, you sure got that right!
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Sounds like the owners officially offered a 50-50 split, and the players declined adamantly. Too bad, I don't think the players are going to get much more than that.

https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7129362&categoryid=2459788
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I watched the press conference tonight and it sounded like the owners were demanding they take accept 50-50 before they talked about the other issues. Players wanted to talk about other issues, then talk about BRI. Owners refused to listen unless 50/50 was agreed upon.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I watched the press conference tonight and it sounded like the owners were demanding they take accept 50-50 before they talked about the other issues. Players wanted to talk about other issues, then talk about BRI. Owners refused to listen unless 50/50 was agreed upon.
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Classic power play and shrewd negotiation tactic. They probably felt all the hours talking over 3 days, the time crunch, the continued loss of money, and most significantly the owners' willingness to sacrifice the season had led to the obvious conclusion the players' 53 line in the sand was a pie in the sky. My guess is the owners said 50/50 with the belief the players, finally accepting defeat, would come back at 51 so an actual deal could be made.

The problem in this scenario is the players have very bad leadership. The owners are putting it out there that they'll deal at 51, they have the winning hand, and the players need to get what they can. But the players (read: Hunter) won't accept that which is why this is still unresolved. It sucks to lose in life, but you have to understand when failure is inevitable, and then make the most of that.
 
Also, Billy Hunter said they weren't asking for 53. They had come up with some kind of sliding scale that would assure a minimum and maximum of 50% and 53% BRI for players, most likely averaging out to 52% over the length of the CBA.
 
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