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beat me to itthe deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
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the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
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the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
the murder of a whole group of people, especially a whole nation, race, or religious group:
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The notion the "minority" only has certain directions of focus is also ridiculous.
So, you are saying the minority he is targeting would be "conservatives", which isn't a genotype.
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Thank you for proving my point. Not a single one of your sources has the requirement of inclusion of minorities, however your top 2 sources both list "political" groups.the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
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the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural groupDefinition of GENOCIDE
the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group… See the full definition
genocide
1. the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic…
I'll give you another historical example that your line of thinking appears to be dismissing: The Genocide of Native Americans following the contact with Europeans in 1492. The Native Americans were the majority but their population decline was horrific. Academics very much count that as a genocide and the literature on it is deep. Do you dismiss that genocide because it doesn't meet your 'inclusion of minorities" genocide requirement?
Nope. I'm saying the requirement of there being a "minority" is something you made up and isn't mentioned in either gandalfe's original definition or in any of the subsequent definitions you've linked.
Rubashov was calling for a genocide that targeted a political group, which your sources confirm does indeed qualify as a genocide.
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You're still going?
The question, after much distraction from you, was finally answered as "conservatives". Thanks.
More distraction, and innumerate as well. There were about 55 million Native Americans around 1500 vs. over 60 million Europeans.
No, these are only required in practice, not by definition.
Thanks again for the word play.
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There were not 60 million Europeans in the Americas in the 16th century. Pointing to aggregate populations elsewhere on the planet isn't how minority status works. You wouldn't say people of European ancestry are the minority in America today because both people of African ancestry and Asian ancestry outnumber them globally.
It is a weird argument. The definition over what is and is not a genocide is widely debated. If you pull up the wikipedia page on 'list of genocides by death toll' there is a banner across the top warning of their being no universally agreed upon definition. The events on that list have varied greatly over time. For example, Stalin's Great Purge with over a million dead is not listed even though it included ethnic cleansing. It isn't on the list because of...reasons.
When Rubashov called for millions of Americans to meet violent ends because half his family died in WWII and it was somehow these American's fault, it was out of left field to get a defense that it really wan't a genocide he was calling for. I get saying he was hyperbolic or joking. I don't see it myself but I don't know the guy. If someone wants to say that is just how he is then I'll admit they may know better than I do. I wouldn't necessarily want that person anywhere near my family but this is the internet and people say crazy stuff here.
I certainly don't take anything personally, but to get a "that's not really a genocide because not enough right wingers will be killed" was kind of a 'wait?! wut?'. I know that wasn't your argument but gandalfe was arguing that genocide needed extermination and apparently he thought right wingers are kinda sneaky and some would probably not be baseball-batted to death.
I read gandalfe's 'they won't be exterminated' response and muttered to myself "this basketball fan forum is @#$%ing looney toons". I'm very easy going and even calls for genocide are water off the ducks back, but I can't say gandalfe's response was expected and he has good taste in music so it's all good.
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Rubashov's equation for American patriots=Hitler Nazi's is beyond any defense. But it is in the book of daily talking points for that day. When Harris and Biden omitted honoring D-Day casualties, and several media comments went out about how today's Antifa = Allied forces fighting Hitler, you know there's an agenda at work.
People don't say such stupid stuff generally. It takes a political hack with an agenda to make up that kind of crap. Then you can figure out who's who by who re-posts it.
The French Jacobins were not American Patriots, either. Just sayin'
Antifa and the BLM scheme are political agenda tools of some totally fascist political hacks with too much money for their own good. I Think the CCP also kicks in some bucks.
There are serious, important parallels to Xi and Hitler.
When American cartelists were harassed by Congress' market regulation, in the form of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, they invested abroad in Germany, Italy, and Japan. American investment built the Axis in the 1930s. American investment has been important to China in the past 40 years. With this kind of cartel economy, and the political influence it breeds, governments are strengthened and peoples' rights are decimated. Ordinary people are cut out of the loop.
Hitler went rogue and proved a bad investment and a threat even to his one-time investors. Xi looks more and more like he's about to go rogue as well. Xi is already implementing some large-scale human rights violations. I don't think the UN is about to take him on for that. We should. Biden won't.
Saying stuff like this is dangerous. Some people might get "disappeared". But we have to take up this fight.
People don't say such stupid stuff generally. It takes a political hack with an agenda to make up that kind of crap. Then you can figure out who's who by who re-posts it.
The French Jacobins were not American Patriots, either. Just sayin'
Antifa and the BLM scheme are political agenda tools of some totally fascist political hacks with too much money for their own good. I Think the CCP also kicks in some bucks.
There are serious, important parallels to Xi and Hitler.
When American cartelists were harassed by Congress' market regulation, in the form of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, they invested abroad in Germany, Italy, and Japan. American investment built the Axis in the 1930s. American investment has been important to China in the past 40 years. With this kind of cartel economy, and the political influence it breeds, governments are strengthened and peoples' rights are decimated. Ordinary people are cut out of the loop.
Hitler went rogue and proved a bad investment and a threat even to his one-time investors. Xi looks more and more like he's about to go rogue as well. Xi is already implementing some large-scale human rights violations. I don't think the UN is about to take him on for that. We should. Biden won't.
Saying stuff like this is dangerous. Some people might get "disappeared". But we have to take up this fight.
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Nor were all the Native Americans being killed off or pushed off in the 16th century. It happened locally, over time, in areas where the Europeans outnumbered the Native Americans. We don't normally consider genocides to be centuries-long campaigns, but the actual usage of words doesn't seem to matter much to you, so you do you.
That's why your point was so innumerate.
Counting heads is also not how minority *status* works. Numerical majorities are often considered minorities because of oppression, difference in economic power, etc.
I also would not say there was a genocide in the US today.
You're engaging in pointless digressions about an already-answered question. Why is that?
Because the part of it that was ethnic cleansing (Polish Operation of the NKVD) is actually listed on the table as its own entry?
So, to you, what's a historical example of a large-scale killing that was not a genocide (just for fun)? One that had no political motivations at all, since you seem to feel that any political motivation means it is genocide.
Looking back at pages 1 and 2, the only person looking at the numbers involved was you. Did I miss something?
We definitely can be a little crazy here.
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Your complete irrelevance as a person must be very grating to you.
If there were an event where the killing was all based on proportionate killing of every kind of sub-group of humans we could imagine or contrive, the intent to eliminate humans by killing them would be genocide. The humans are a race.the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
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the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural groupDefinition of GENOCIDE
the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group… See the full definition
the murder of a whole group of people, especially a whole nation, race, or religious group:genocide
1. the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic…
The notion the "minority" only has certain directions of focus is also ridiculous.
So, you are saying the minority he is targeting would be "conservatives", which isn't a genotype.
It takes political indoctrination to create people who can't see that.
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1) That's what Memorial Day is for. If we were to honors the heroes of every single battle the US has fought in, would there be a single day in the calendar that some battle would not be honored? If we send out these accolades every day, don't they become commonplace and insubstantial, like air?
2) Its also wrong regarding Harris, as she sent out a D-Day tweet.
Ob is Obsessed with his dictionary and his political convictions.
People never use words with any kind of precision because words are symbols. A listener needs to consider how a person is using the word, and more or less get the picture, and then discuss the picture.
Even if dictionaries were legally-compelled standards people could be prosecuted for using inaccurately or contrary to the legally-prescribed( legislated) values, it isstill just stupid to imagine it's worth fight a war over them.
Today's "liberals" are not "liberals" at all. They are intolerant misfits hell-bent on making asses of themselves until every else agrees with them.
People are turning away from this ****.
People never use words with any kind of precision because words are symbols. A listener needs to consider how a person is using the word, and more or less get the picture, and then discuss the picture.
Even if dictionaries were legally-compelled standards people could be prosecuted for using inaccurately or contrary to the legally-prescribed( legislated) values, it isstill just stupid to imagine it's worth fight a war over them.
Today's "liberals" are not "liberals" at all. They are intolerant misfits hell-bent on making asses of themselves until every else agrees with them.
People are turning away from this ****.
According to some (critics) her tween was nothing to do with "Memorial Day". A lot of people don't specify war dead on this day, and they decorate whatever damn graves they care to. Some people think it's for fishing.
Consider my comment to be a combo criticism. a short version of noting the general disrespect of "The Left" for American history or patriotic sentiments. But I remember when Trump was harassed about a false report that he cared more for his hairdo than soldiers.
People who vest high hopes in "fundamentally transforming" America and who want to do all the damn work they can to unsettle peoples' fond assumptions about their way of life can hardly even understand what US soldiers ever fought for.
The right to be free of propagandists and political hacks trying to remake humanity.
For all you liberals, or Trump haters, both in most cases, I suggest you try the ostrich approach to the next decade. As the audits will prove, Trump won by an incredible margin, in every state, except California and New York, which he still won. Even with dominion switching votes, which the military knew would happen as evidenced by the 2016 election and the Recon they did on the 2018 midterm elections, Trump still won. Had to stop everything election night and bring in 50k-500000 ballots in a large number of states that were incredibly 95-96% for Resident Biden to win by a paltry 10-17k. Can't stop what's coming and I guarantee you won't enjoy it. Stolen elections have harsh consequences to those who participated/orchestrated, and it will not be pretty. The military has allowed this sham Biden residency to govern somewhat so that the public will be more tolerant/supportive of what's next, and to bring to light what his policies would actually look like. Biden hasn't been allowed to even set foot in the actual White House, has never received the AF1 call sign from the Marines on his flights, and spends every weekend in his basement in Delaware. Some of you have probably noticed there's at least two Bidens depending on circumstances, so enjoy the rest of the show, or not. The show must go on...
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You stated only minorities can be victims of genocide, which is false.
My dog would eat your dog, that's the only relevance I need. If it came down to you and me surviving and only one of us would make it out, I would live you would die, that's relevance.
Why do you hate Caucasians?
This is about the most extreme view I've seen. Oh, I admit, I've found some stuff online that makes me wonder.
Are you an FBI agent trying to draw out some crazies for some psy-op charade?
I think that's why I just don't go out in those woods and look for trouble. The bears do more than just poop in the woods.
Biden is the US Pres. The military is largely favorable to his leadership. If we had a military takeover, it would be to put Obama in as President. But Biden doesn't mind Obama helping out, wherever he goes. It's all good.
I did some research on the election. The machines have been in use for some time. It's a pay to play racket, at worst. It's more expensive than just printing flyers and stickers and installing election officials sympathetic to the steal.
All forms of election fraud are a high risk undertaking, that's why some players want unwatched boxes in dark corners of the ghettos where even homeless people won't sleep.
But a lot of Americans saw enough "evidence" of fraud in 2020 they are insisting on local governments doing some things to get the vote fair.
Dems are very, very worried. Dammit, those immigrants fleeing socialist hell-holes have seen commies before. All that damn work trying to pack the electorate with imbeciles who'll vote dem is backfiring.
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I'm guessing sometime in the past you had a fight and never made up so now you and dictionaries aren't on speaking terms.
Being that I live in the land where Woke is the native language, let me help you out.
When the aggregate population of a particular area is made up of greater than 50% Hispanic or greater than 50% Black then you do not use the terms 'majority' or 'minority' and instead refer to the group making up more than 50% as "historically oppressed", or "historically underserved", or "historically [insert word here]" .
When no single group makes up more than 50% -AND- you cannot add White and Asian people together to make up more than 50%, then the area is referred to as "minority majority"
When no single group makes up more than 50% but you can add together White and Asian people to get to more than 50% combined, then you would call the area a "Whitenasian area".
When an areas is over 50% Asian, then you refer to the area by whatever country of ancestry most of the Asians come from. For example, if you were in an area that was 40% White, 30% Chinese Americans, 20% Vietnamese, and 10% Indian, then you are in a Chinese Area because you add all of the Asians together to get 60% and then call them all by whichever Asian country most came from. Yes, I know that is stupid and racist but the Wokes make the rules and the Wokes go a little funny when it comes to Asians.
On that topic, the terms People of Color is also out of style. It is now Black and Indigenous People of Color or BIPOC because the Wokes weren't happy the Asians were referring to themselves as People of Color.
No one walks into a Black or Hispanic area and says "Hey, everyone here is minorities!" Don't do it. No one likes a tourist.
Last tip: Don't ever, ever use the term Latinx. Hispanic people HAAAAAAAAATE it. I'm not usually one to racially stereotype but that is one rule that seems pretty universal.
Latinx is a real loser term. sounds like Sphinx, almost mysterious, but let's imagine how a girl would feel being called a "tamponx" because isn't Latinx a brand name for some damned private personal hygiene product? Maybe "Silkx" would fly for Chinese, but definitely not Cleanx for anybody from planet earth.
Political hacks seem to think they can win if they can control the terminology. People just don't buy this.
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Political hacks seem to think they can win if they can control the terminology. People just don't buy this.
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