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It's almost like what people identified as good defense since basketball's inception might actually have some value. Weird.

But if it doesn't scream on a spreadsheet then I guess it's probably too stupid.
Even just mixing up rotations a little on the perimeter... like make them think/hesitate. Can't just have everyone know that Mann will be open in the corner if they get stuck... or maybe you trap/double to just change the way the other team has to react. Its a little too methodical.
 
Of course we were up 2-0 without conley and had beat the clippers by a larger margin over the 2 games and they had kahwi playing in both our games.


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I would definitely not count them out. Their MO is to blow the first two games and then win. But last night really felt like the Clippers had the game stolen and then Push off P choked and Baby Amare posterized Zoo.
 
I would definitely not count them out. Their MO is to blow the first two games and then win. But last night really felt like the Clippers had the game stolen and then Push off P choked and Baby Amare posterized Zoo.
One question, On that final play alley oop I saw it happen and then noticed it looked like it was being reviewed and I had to get my daughter to bed so I didn't see what went down with the review process but I remember favors tipping in a missed shot when the ball was coming off the rim but part of the ball was still above the cylinder and it was called goaltend and then there was discussion in the gamethread about the goal tend rule.

It was explained that there is and imaginary cylinder going straight up to the ceiling above the hoop. If the player touches that ball in this cylinder then its goaltending. It looked pretty certain that Ayton caught ball while it was over the hoop in this imaginary cylinder. Shouldn't it have been goaltending?
(fwiw I think the goal tend rule is stupid. I think that if its obvious that the ball isn't going to go in the basket then the players should be able to touch it. So the ayton play wouldn't be goal tend if the rules were the way i thing they should be. Neither would the favors tip in. But with the way the rules are it seems like both the Ayton alley oop and the favors tip in should be goaltending)
 
One question, On that final play alley oop I saw it happen and then noticed it looked like it was being reviewed and I had to get my daughter to bed so I didn't see what went down with the review process but I remember favors tipping in a missed shot when the ball was coming off the rim but part of the ball was still above the cylinder and it was called goaltend and then there was discussion in the gamethread about the goal tend rule.

It was explained that there is and imaginary cylinder going straight up to the ceiling above the hoop. If the player touches that ball in this cylinder then its goaltending. It looked pretty certain that Ayton caught ball while it was over the hoop in this imaginary cylinder. Shouldn't it have been goaltending?
(fwiw I think the goal tend rule is stupid. I think that if its obvious that the ball isn't going to go in the basket then the players should be able to touch it. So the ayton play wouldn't be goal tend if the rules were the way i thing they should be. Neither would the favors tip in. But with the way the rules are it seems like both the Ayton alley oop and the favors tip in should be goaltending)
Jackson and Van Gundy said it was considered a “live ball” since it was inbounded, not a regular pass or shot, and therefore couldn’t even be considered a goal tend. So they made it sound like you could goal tend offensively if it was an inbounds pass.
I’ll be honest, I hadn’t thought about this before so I could just be misunderstanding them completely. Anyone else feel free to jump in!

On twitter there were analysts who noticed 3 things:

1. Cousins Didnt position himself properly to take away the lob. It seemed like he was head on crowder which actually made the lob pass easy. I know you might find this hard to believe, since I know how much you love cousins ;)
2. Batum took a wrong step.
3. Zoo just wasn’t physical/quick enough to take it away.

All of which makes sense. I think where the Clippers really blew it was the free throws. Even if George splits them, that unreal lob only sends the game into overtime. If he makes both? Then the lob isn’t even an option.
 
How did the Clippers end up with Reggie jackson? It seems like a team already stacked shouldn’t have had the money to sign him. He’s a quality guard. They have 3 guards who could probably start/be key bench players for us, Beverley, Rondo, and Jackson.
 
A few years ago the Suns won on the same play but with like 0.1 on the clock. It’s correct that it’s not considered a shot so the offensive player just needs to touch it. It amazed me how few people learned about this since then (meaning coaches) because we’ve been in numerous situations where it would come in handy.
 
A few years ago the Suns won on the same play but with like 0.1 on the clock. It’s correct that it’s not considered a shot so the offensive player just needs to touch it. It amazed me how few people learned about this since then (meaning coaches) because we’ve been in numerous situations where it would come in handy.
can the inbounder try to just make the shot from out of bounds or would that not count? What if the inbounder tries to throw the lob but it hits the rim and is still above the cylinder and a player tips it in? Does that count.
 
A few years ago the Suns won on the same play but with like 0.1 on the clock. It’s correct that it’s not considered a shot so the offensive player just needs to touch it. It amazed me how few people learned about this since then (meaning coaches) because we’ve been in numerous situations where it would come in handy.
Like a team with a really huge center could run that action a few times a year... might even help get his guards open for threes in the corner because its really difficult to guard both the screener and roller there? Teams with big centers that dunk a lot might look at this option a little closer.
 
Jackson and Van Gundy said it was considered a “live ball” since it was inbounded, not a regular pass or shot, and therefore couldn’t even be considered a goal tend. So they made it sound like you could goal tend offensively if it was an inbounds pass.
I’ll be honest, I hadn’t thought about this before so I could just be misunderstanding them completely. Anyone else feel free to jump in!

On twitter there were analysts who noticed 3 things:

1. Cousins Didnt position himself properly to take away the lob. It seemed like he was head on crowder which actually made the lob pass easy. I know you might find this hard to believe, since I know how much you love cousins ;)
2. Batum took a wrong step.
3. Zoo just wasn’t physical/quick enough to take it away.

All of which makes sense. I think where the Clippers really blew it was the free throws. Even if George splits them, that unreal lob only sends the game into overtime. If he makes both? Then the lob isn’t even an option.
I'm completely okay with this loss landing squarely in the shoulders of Pushoff-P. Let them lose the series by a game and have this eat at him forever and a day.

It's small consolation for game 6, but it would still be something.

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can the inbounder try to just make the shot from out of bounds or would that not count? What if the inbounder tries to throw the lob but it hits the rim and is still above the cylinder and a player tips it in? Does that count.

If the inbounder made it, it wouldn’t count. If it hits the rim it doesn’t matter either it’s just a live ball not a shot. All Ayton had to do was get a finger on the ball before it went in.

Also, Zubac could literally have stuck his arm through the rim and hit the ball away before Ayton touched it and it would have been clean.
 
Like a team with a really huge center could run that action a few times a year... might even help get his guards open for threes in the corner because its really difficult to guard both the screener and roller there? Teams with big centers that dunk a lot might look at this option a little closer.
I hope that if the jazz are ever down 1 or 2 with .2 seconds left that they bring in favors and udoka along with rudy and put them all right by the rim. Then have donovan be the inbounder but have him shoot at the basket with the intention of making the basket. Like a 30 foot three pointer that he makes all the time. Then when the ball is about to go in have all our 7 footers jump up and try to dunk/tip it in.
Basically just like a hail mary in football.
 
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