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DL and Quin Snyder Rift

Ineptimusprime said:
Well, I kinda agree with Quin. DL’s guys kinda sucked, so why give them minutes? I get the sense Quin would play young guys if they were actually good and had great potential.

This development doesn’t bode well for a lot of the end of roster guys hoping to stick on the roster, IMO. With DL gone, and Quin getting his way, I could see a lot of them not being back.
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I think Brantley and Oni have potential... I can be talked into Morgan as a small ball 5 someday. Of the guys we have I think Brantley is the one I wanted to see more of. Oni had a chance and was not great.
 
infection said:
Hah. Anyone who buys this nonsense of a guy early-to-mid prime deciding to "slow down." Yeah, he's thought about stepping away. I'm sure every single executive has thoughts of stepping away. Hell, every day I have thoughts of quitting my job, as I'm sure most of you do. They're not thoughts you're entertaining or thinking of acting on, but they are legitimately thoughts. Of course he can say that and it be true, but also completely false at the same time.
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I think what DL was trying to say is... for a couple years I’ve thought about stepping away from this job... into a job with a different franchise.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
Quin plays young guys if they were actually good and had great potential.
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FIFY.

Quin's got the development of Haywood, Rudy, DM, Royce and Niang under his belt.

What does DL have?

Burke? Dante? Lyles? Oni? Doke?

Remember when DL was working with a different coach in 2013, we were leaving Rudy to rot on the bench. And guys like Millsap and DeMarre Carroll's career skyrocketed the moment we let them walk. It was Quin who came in and completed changed the toxic culture of this team.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I thought Brantley was one of Zanik's guys. I think Zanik likes the big-body type. With Brantley, he'd already put up 19/8 in the G-league, and he didn't play with the Stars this year at all. He just sat around.
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This year's GLeague was a total waste. Dok got hurt, Hughes stunk, the Stars best players were on loan from the Mavs and Bucks, and Brantley and Forrest didn't play a second with the Stars.
 
Really hard to transition Brantley to the big league because he's like one of those tweeners who doesn't have a NBA position. Kinda like Trey Lyles except he's even smaller. Not long enough to play the 4. Struggle with movement at the 3.
 
jom2003 said:
Really hard to transition Brantley to the big league because he's like one of those tweeners who doesn't have a NBA position. Kinda like Trey Lyles except he's even smaller. Not long enough to play the 4. Struggle with movement at the 3.
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I don’t think any of this is true. He’s not as tall as Lyles but he plays much bigger. He’s got long arms and is plenty big to be a three. Have watched him slide in front of Giannis and guard guys like Derozan. I think with him it’s most the thinking part of basketball. If he had Niangs know how he’d be on the court. I think his shot is pretty iffy is his other issue.
 
I think the millers would have just let dL continue to **** up. His job would have never been in jeopardy. Quin wuld have probably bounced at some point and the millers would have no clue why


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SoberasHotRod said:
Coaches play the guys who will win them games. Their jobs depend on it. GMs want the players they've scouted and signed to play. I'm guessing this dynamic is very common. It sounds like this relationship went beyond that, when they weren't talking directly to each other for two years. Too bad this didn't blow up a year earlier.
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The thing is, in Utah it's been very clear that a coach's, or an executives job, does not depend on any of that. Look how long they held onto Corbin. They are loyal to a fault, and that's going to end up costing us a championship.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don’t think any of this is true. He’s not as tall as Lyles but he plays much bigger. He’s got long arms and is plenty big to be a three. Have watched him slide in front of Giannis and guard guys like Derozan. I think with him it’s most the thinking part of basketball. If he had Niangs know how he’d be on the court. I think his shot is pretty iffy is his other issue.
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I mean, Oni also had made some good defensively stops against Devin Booker in pre-season, but then in that Clippers series he had like 3 fouls in less than 5 minutes and couldn't stay on the floor. Same with Niang, whose defensively improvement almost made us forget about his limitation. Then we saw him getting abused and walked all over in playoffs.

I think the thing with Brantly is that the idea of him is better than the real player. He certainly had his moments during all those minutes that don't really matter. But there are also minutes of him being completely lost on the floor and not looking like a NBA player. For a team trying to compete now, it'd a lot to ask the coach to play you meaningful minutes unless you have a certain set of skill that can contribute to the team right away.
 
jom2003 said:
I mean, Oni also had made some good defensively stops against Devin Booker in pre-season, but then in that Clippers series he had like 3 fouls in less than 5 minutes and couldn't stay on the floor. Same with Niang, whose defensively improvement almost made us forget about his limitation. Then we saw him getting abused and walked all over in playoffs.

I think the thing with Brantly is that the idea of him is better than the real player. He certainly had his moments during all those minutes that don't really matter. But there are also minutes of him being completely lost on the floor and not looking like a NBA player. For a team trying to compete now, it'd a lot to ask the coach to play you meaningful minutes unless you have a certain set of skill that can contribute to the team right away.
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I’m not saying he is or isn’t a player. He’s not been given a real shot... he may not have earned it. I just think the reasons you originally stated are not the reasons he hasn’t seen time. His body and the way he moves are actually the primary reasons he’s intriguing... the basketball brain and shooting may keep him off the court.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The thing is, in Utah it's been very clear that a coach's, or an executives job, does not depend on any of that. Look how long they held onto Corbin. They are loyal to a fault, and that's going to end up costing us a championship.
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I think DL was great at setting up infrastructure but may not have been the guy to do the finish work. I don’t think they rode him too long... I think this is actually a pretty quick hook based on how much runway guys normally get. He trended the right way... albeit a bit slower than we all would have liked. I think it’s time for someone with the chops to go from great to best.
 
jom2003 said:
Really hard to transition Brantley to the big league because he's like one of those tweeners who doesn't have a NBA position. Kinda like Trey Lyles except he's even smaller. Not long enough to play the 4. Struggle with movement at the 3.
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Brantley was first team all GLeague in 19-20 joining the Minivan on the Jazz roster for attaining that honor.
 
jom2003 said:
I mean, Oni also had made some good defensively stops against Devin Booker in pre-season, but then in that Clippers series he had like 3 fouls in less than 5 minutes and couldn't stay on the floor. Same with Niang, whose defensively improvement almost made us forget about his limitation. Then we saw him getting abused and walked all over in playoffs.

I think the thing with Brantly is that the idea of him is better than the real player. He certainly had his moments during all those minutes that don't really matter. But there are also minutes of him being completely lost on the floor and not looking like a NBA player. For a team trying to compete now, it'd a lot to ask the coach to play you meaningful minutes unless you have a certain set of skill that can contribute to the team right away.
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To be fair Brantley hasn't really had much playing time with the starters or bench to make a fair analysis of what he can and cannot do. I think he has some playmaking abilities but until he plays with and against the big boys one will only be able to speculate.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I thought Brantley was one of Zanik's guys. I think Zanik likes the big-body type. With Brantley, he'd already put up 19/8 in the G-league, and he didn't play with the Stars this year at all. He just sat around.
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How in the hell you going to know who is a Zanick guy or DL guy? DL is the person who makes the decision. Everyone on the roster is one of his guys currently.
 
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