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So you think CNN is a trusted news source now? Please answer yes or no.

In ay case, the cause of this inflation, according to the article you linked, are the current supply chain shortages. These will be rectified by businesses in due course. Why don't you trust the American economy? Why do you hate capitalism?
Not really but kind of. (See @Red answering questions isn't hard)CNN is no different than Fox. Both have decent points when they are talking about themselves but neither are fully honest. They are partisan entertainment channels not news.

And supply chain shortages are due to government handouts and people not working in Democratic states. I've discussed this. Get the people back to work and inflation settles. You all socialist (Marxist)don't want that though
 
And supply chain shortages are due to government handouts and people not working in Democratic states. I've discussed this.
Which doesn't disagree with my point that the American economy will adjust and they will be rectified, so I'm glad we agree this is nothing to worry about.
 
Which doesn't disagree with my point that the American economy will adjust and they will be rectified, so I'm glad we agree this is nothing to worry about.
But... nobody is going back to work. They are getting paid to do nothing. You all just FORCED ANOTHER 3.5 trillion dollar spending package through. Flooding the market with money yet there's nobody make the increase in demand. Thus... inflation.

Poll: 1.8 million Americans have turned down jobs due to unemployment benefits

 
Which doesn't disagree with my point that the American economy will adjust and they will be rectified, so I'm glad we agree this is nothing to worry about.

Left leaning politico... I can provide CNN too

Red states lead economic recovery, giving GOP ammo against Biden’s spending plans

 
But... nobody is going back to work. They are getting paid to do nothing. You all just FORCED ANOTHER 3.5 trillion dollar spending package through. Flooding the market with money yet there's nobody make the increase in demand. Thus... inflation.
Meaning this is a short-term issue.

Poll: 1.8 million Americans have turned down jobs due to unemployment benefits

By that logic, using the figures in your link, there are about 19 million people that turned down a job, despite the current total of unemployed people being well under 10 million. Interesting math you have there.

At any rate, the extra benefits are due to expire in early September, so we are still talking about a short-term issue.
 
In 1919, the inflation rate was over 14.5%. So you are correct, the current rate is not moderate. We actually have a very low inflation rate compared to other periods immediately after a pandemic.
I wouldn't declare victory yet. It isn't the pandemic. It's the spending, and we've never seen the level of spending they just cranked out. The Great Society spending during the LBJ administration was the closest in recent history and that wasn't even half of what just went through. That Great Society spending caused housing prices to double in 10 years and spiraled the economy into 70's stagflation. To stop it Paul Volker raised the Fed funds rate to 22%. It took over 10 years to fix. We're only ~4 months in to this.

I hope everyone owns houses with fixed rate mortgages because "Hang on lady. We're going for a ride."
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I wouldn't declare victory yet. It isn't the pandemic. It's the spending, and we've never seen the level of spending they just cranked out. The Great Society spending during the LBJ administration was the closest in recent history and that wasn't even half of what just went through. That Great Society spending caused housing prices to double in 10 years and spiraled the economy into 70's stagflation. To stop it Paul Volker raised the Fed funds rate to 22%. It took over 10 years to fix. We're only ~4 months in to this.

I hope everyone owns houses with fixed rate mortgages because "Hang on lady. We're going for a ride."
Wow, that seems simplistic.

Perhaps you have a better source, but looking over the Wikipedia summary, can you tell me which if the Great Society programs caused that jump? Please keep in mind that for us Midwesterners, this was an area of white flight to the suburbs, and non-coastal urban housing didn't see many price jumps.

For example, this page has a graph on the changes in St. Louis and Cincinnati.

I have a feeling the jumps in housing prices had a lot more to do with increasing population in an already-saturated space than with any government program.
 
See @Red answering questions isn't hard
Yeah, but your game, in a nutshell, makes it a waste of time:

You embed lies or disinformation into your questions. When a respondent addresses the lie/disinformation, you don’t address those concerns at all, or you rephrase their remarks into something they actually did not say. In either case, you then ask the respondent when they are going to answer YOUR question, ofttimes incorporating more disinfo into your response, basically needlessly convoluting the conversation, while changing the meaning of your respondents statements, and other verbal sleight of hand to further twist conversations into knots, and ensure you waste everyone’s time. Occasionally, you offer a reasonably cogent observation, but it’s so rare, it almost just comes across as you letting your guard down inadvertently. It’s a somewhat more complicated style of trolling that you’ve developed, you work at it, I’ll give you that.
 
For example, this page has a graph on the changes in St. Louis and Cincinnati.
Here is the graph you refer to in your linked piece with the 10 year period pointed out. The meat of the spending really started in 1968-1969. By 1980 Volker had broken the spiral. Notice the blue housing price curve between '68/'69 and '78/79. Now look at the red income curve during the same period. That is why I hope everyone owns their house because this is in the pipeline but on steroids.
House-Chart.jpg
 
Yeah, but your game, in a nutshell, makes it a waste of time:

You embed lies or disinformation into your questions. When a respondent addresses the lie/disinformation, you don’t address those concerns at all, or you rephrase their remarks into something they actually did not say. In either case, you then ask the respondent when they are going to answer YOUR question, ofttimes incorporating more disinfo into your response, basically needlessly convoluting the conversation, while changing the meaning of your respondents statements, and other verbal sleight of hand to further twist conversations into knots, and ensure you waste everyone’s time. Occasionally, you offer a reasonably cogent observation, but it’s so rare, it almost just comes across as you letting your guard down inadvertently. It’s a somewhat more complicated style of trolling that you’ve developed, you work at it, I’ll give you that.
Fair warning... I'm not reading your post until you back up your bold faced lie, AGAIN, that Trump incited riots. Others may let you lie and lie and lie but not me. Answer the question. Provide quotes where Trump told his supporters to storm the Capitol or be violent at the Capitol.

You simply cannot because it never happened. You are no better than Qnon with your fabricated lies.

Everyone else is more than welcome to educate me as well.
 
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@Red

Anything yet? Any quotes where Trump told people to storm the Capitol or you just going to keep trying to turn the subject? Don't worry I'll remind you...
 
None of them and all of them. It wasn't the result of the programs themselves. It was the aggregate price tag so far above the level of tax revenue.
If I were to ask you to look at how the federal deficit changed over the period of, say, 1960 to 1990, do you think you'd see a big jump in 1965 (the actual start of the Great Society programs) and following, or in years following the programs being cut back, dismantled, or re-routed? I looked it up, but I wanted to check to see if you had.

Here is the graph you refer to in your linked piece with the 10 year period pointed out. The meat of the spending really started in 1968-1969. By 1980 Volker had broken the spiral. Notice the blue housing price curve between '68/'69 and '78/79. Now look at the red income curve during the same period. That is why I hope everyone owns their house because this is in the pipeline but on steroids.
House-Chart.jpg
I think narrowing this down to a ten-year window is a great way to hide the overall trends.

Yes, there's a jump in 1970 to 1980 (although the main GS spending is 1968-1972) while wages are rising, but there is also a similar-sloped increase during 1990-2008, coming during and after some of our best years in terms of deficits. Then housing costs fall despite the massive spending in the Obama administration. It's almost as if the relationship to housing costs and federal deficits is very loose, if it exists at all.

But yeah, if you look only at your preferred 10-year window, your interpretation fits.
 
there's a jump in 1970 to 1980 (although the main GS spending is 1968-1972) while wages are rising, but there is also a similar-sloped increase during 1990-2008
In both cases the rise in prices is caused by expansion of the money supply. With the way the fractional reserve system works, a creation of a single dollar of US government debt if that debt is purchased domestically, lead to an expansion of the money supply by $11. You can avoid that if selling the debt off to foreign countries like Japan and China, but the Great Society debt was primarily absorbed domestically.

The great rise of the early 2000’s was also expansion of the money supply but it wasn’t driven by government spending. It was due to stripping away some significant pieces of financial regulation that let banks create money out of thin air by over-leveraging worthless assets. There is a great movie called ‘The Big Short’ that detailed how that fiasco happened.

The resolution to both of these bubbles was different. With the over-spending by the government, at least the money was real. Once they reined in the spending and spiked the interest rates to arrest the inflation, there wasn’t a huge crash (but there still was a recession). With the 2000’s bubble, the assets weren’t real and there was a massive readjustment with a number of big players being technically insolvent. The current spending is more like the Great Society spending and the economy is likely to look more like ’68-’78.
 
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What a cowardly answer.
Not at all. Tell you what: You offer three statements of a type you would see as supporting the riot, and if they are realistic enough that Trump might have said them, I'll go take a look.

My guess is that they will be of a type you'd never hear from any US politician.
 
"Inflation is good"

"You don't understand moderate because 1917"

“Americans should brace themselves for several years of higher inflation than they’ve seen in decades, according to economists who expect the robust post-pandemic economic recovery to fuel brisk price increases for a while,” The Wall Street Journal reported. “The respondents on average now expect a widely followed measure of inflation, which excludes volatile food and energy components, to be up 3.2% in the fourth quarter of 2021 from a year before. They forecast the annual rise to recede to slightly less than 2.3% a year in 2022 and 2023. That would mean an average annual increase of 2.58% from 2021 through 2023, putting inflation at levels last seen in 1993.”
 
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