Thread for responding to lies spread by JazzyFresh

[JazzyFresh]

So you think CNN is a trusted news source now? Please answer yes or no.

In ay case, the cause of this inflation, according to the article you linked, are the current supply chain shortages. These will be rectified by businesses in due course. Why don't you trust the American economy? Why do you hate capitalism?

Not really but kind of. (See @Red answering questions isn't hard)CNN is no different than Fox. Both have decent points when they are talking about themselves but neither are fully honest. They are partisan entertainment channels not news.

And supply chain shortages are due to government handouts and people not working in Democratic states. I've discussed this. Get the people back to work and inflation settles. You all socialist (Marxist)don't want that though

 

[One Brow]

And supply chain shortages are due to government handouts and people not working in Democratic states. I've discussed this.

Which doesn't disagree with my point that the American economy will adjust and they will be rectified, so I'm glad we agree this is nothing to worry about.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Which doesn't disagree with my point that the American economy will adjust and they will be rectified, so I'm glad we agree this is nothing to worry about.

But... nobody is going back to work. They are getting paid to do nothing. You all just FORCED ANOTHER 3.5 trillion dollar spending package through. Flooding the market with money yet there's nobody make the increase in demand. Thus... inflation.

Poll: 1.8 million Americans have turned down jobs due to unemployment benefits

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[JazzyFresh]

Which doesn't disagree with my point that the American economy will adjust and they will be rectified, so I'm glad we agree this is nothing to worry about.

Left leaning politico... I can provide CNN too

Red states lead economic recovery, giving GOP ammo against Biden’s spending plans

Red states lead economic recovery, giving GOP ammo against Biden’s spending plans

Policymakers are divided over whether conservative governors’ policies on Covid-19 restrictions are actually helping their economies or if their states’ industries simply didn’t fall as far behind during the pandemic.

www.politico.com

 

[One Brow]

But... nobody is going back to work. They are getting paid to do nothing. You all just FORCED ANOTHER 3.5 trillion dollar spending package through. Flooding the market with money yet there's nobody make the increase in demand. Thus... inflation.

Meaning this is a short-term issue.

Poll: 1.8 million Americans have turned down jobs due to unemployment benefits

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By that logic, using the figures in your link, there are about 19 million people that turned down a job, despite the current total of unemployed people being well under 10 million. Interesting math you have there.

At any rate, the extra benefits are due to expire in early September, so we are still talking about a short-term issue.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

In 1919, the inflation rate was over 14.5%. So you are correct, the current rate is not moderate. We actually have a very low inflation rate compared to other periods immediately after a pandemic.

I wouldn't declare victory yet. It isn't the pandemic. It's the spending, and we've never seen the level of spending they just cranked out. The Great Society spending during the LBJ administration was the closest in recent history and that wasn't even half of what just went through. That Great Society spending caused housing prices to double in 10 years and spiraled the economy into 70's stagflation. To stop it Paul Volker raised the Fed funds rate to 22%. It took over 10 years to fix. We're only ~4 months in to this.

I hope everyone owns houses with fixed rate mortgages because "Hang on lady. We're going for a ride."

 

[One Brow]

I wouldn't declare victory yet. It isn't the pandemic. It's the spending, and we've never seen the level of spending they just cranked out. The Great Society spending during the LBJ administration was the closest in recent history and that wasn't even half of what just went through. That Great Society spending caused housing prices to double in 10 years and spiraled the economy into 70's stagflation. To stop it Paul Volker raised the Fed funds rate to 22%. It took over 10 years to fix. We're only ~4 months in to this.

I hope everyone owns houses with fixed rate mortgages because "Hang on lady. We're going for a ride."

Wow, that seems simplistic.

Perhaps you have a better source, but looking over the Wikipedia summary, can you tell me which if the Great Society programs caused that jump? Please keep in mind that for us Midwesterners, this was an area of white flight to the suburbs, and non-coastal urban housing didn't see many price jumps.

For example, this page has a graph on the changes in St. Louis and Cincinnati.

How Home Prices and Household Incomes Changed Since 1960 | Clever Real Estate

Home prices have increased at a rate that far outpaces incomes, driving homeownership further out of reach for more Americans

listwithclever.com

I have a feeling the jumps in housing prices had a lot more to do with increasing population in an already-saturated space than with any government program.

 

[Red]

See @Red answering questions isn't hard

Yeah, but your game, in a nutshell, makes it a waste of time:

You embed lies or disinformation into your questions. When a respondent addresses the lie/disinformation, you don’t address those concerns at all, or you rephrase their remarks into something they actually did not say. In either case, you then ask the respondent when they are going to answer YOUR question, ofttimes incorporating more disinfo into your response, basically needlessly convoluting the conversation, while changing the meaning of your respondents statements, and other verbal sleight of hand to further twist conversations into knots, and ensure you waste everyone’s time. Occasionally, you offer a reasonably cogent observation, but it’s so rare, it almost just comes across as you letting your guard down inadvertently. It’s a somewhat more complicated style of trolling that you’ve developed, you work at it, I’ll give you that.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

can you tell me which if the Great Society programs caused that jump?

None of them and all of them. It wasn't the result of the programs themselves. It was the aggregate price tag so far above the level of tax revenue.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

For example, this page has a graph on the changes in St. Louis and Cincinnati.

Here is the graph you refer to in your linked piece with the 10 year period pointed out. The meat of the spending really started in 1968-1969. By 1980 Volker had broken the spiral. Notice the blue housing price curve between '68/'69 and '78/79. Now look at the red income curve during the same period. That is why I hope everyone owns their house because this is in the pipeline but on steroids.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Yeah, but your game, in a nutshell, makes it a waste of time:

You embed lies or disinformation into your questions. When a respondent addresses the lie/disinformation, you don’t address those concerns at all, or you rephrase their remarks into something they actually did not say. In either case, you then ask the respondent when they are going to answer YOUR question, ofttimes incorporating more disinfo into your response, basically needlessly convoluting the conversation, while changing the meaning of your respondents statements, and other verbal sleight of hand to further twist conversations into knots, and ensure you waste everyone’s time. Occasionally, you offer a reasonably cogent observation, but it’s so rare, it almost just comes across as you letting your guard down inadvertently. It’s a somewhat more complicated style of trolling that you’ve developed, you work at it, I’ll give you that.

Fair warning... I'm not reading your post until you back up your bold faced lie, AGAIN, that Trump incited riots. Others may let you lie and lie and lie but not me. Answer the question. Provide quotes where Trump told his supporters to storm the Capitol or be violent at the Capitol.

You simply cannot because it never happened. You are no better than Qnon with your fabricated lies.

Everyone else is more than welcome to educate me as well.

 

[JazzyFresh]

@Red

Anything yet? Any quotes where Trump told people to storm the Capitol or you just going to keep trying to turn the subject? Don't worry I'll remind you...