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Probably not worth it in my mind, unless the FO is lower on Butler than I think they are there's just not a ton of minutes in the backcourt rotation.
 
unlike Shaq, Dunn actually does have enough skill to play the point. Can he stay healthy is the question.
 
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Dunn is a nice player but I don't know that it happens. Aren't quin and Schroder like BFFs? Why don't we sell Schroder on balling out in Utah for nothing instead of Boston for a touch more than nothing.

He doesn't fill a need but he can score by the dozen.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Dunn is a nice player but I don't know that it happens. Aren't quin and Schroder like BFFs? Why don't we sell Schroder on balling out in Utah for nothing instead of Boston for a touch more than nothing.

He doesn't fill a need but he can score by the dozen.
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He’s a really good fit in Boston. IMO, they need guys like that who play defense and don’t need to score to impact the game. For that reason, they’d be foolish if they trade Smart imo.
 
infection said:
We don’t, but it gives us some pieces. Look at how Lue used Beverley, for instance. Barely played in the first round when he wasn’t needed. Used more in second round but minutes yo-yo’d. I think we definitely need a defensive upgrade and think we definitely need a bit smaller dose of Clarkson with new additions, but I’d also have the same concerns about Smart being 25+ MPG. He’s a terrible shooter, too. I think the difference between Smart and Dunn is likely opportunity. But Dunn affords you the ability to keep him as a smaller piece. In the same way that Gay will fill a super-Niang role, Dunn could fill a super-Oni role.

tl;dr Dunn at 15 mpg is possibly better than Smart at 25+ mpg because I think you’d get diminishing returns with more Smart minutes. 18-20 mpg would be the sweet spot and I don’t think you could bring him in for that role.
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I disagree with the theory here… but the acquisition cost is a huge difference here. Just have to find a way to save some pennies along the way.

I also think Butler can play so sending out JC for Smart does provide him some opportunities.

I have a hard time seeing a better use for the TPE with more upside than sending out Hughes for Dunn (two deals both using tpes) and getting a second for our troubles. If Dunn is good and healthy maybe you find something useful with JC that reduces the tax later.

If you put Hughes in the deal and waive Brantley then you are only adding about 8M in costs between tax and salary. Could further reduce the tax by waiving Oni and doing 10 day contracts intermittently and leaving the 13th spot open for as long as possible… so saves 2-3M.
 
Smart is a much better shooter than Dunn btw. The percentages seem close but volume is something to look at… teams sag off Dunn daring him to shoot… smart is good enough that they don’t beg him to shoot… big difference there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Smart is a much better shooter than Dunn btw. The percentages seem close but volume is something to look at… teams sag off Dunn daring him to shoot… smart is good enough that they don’t beg him to shoot… big difference there.
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I’d again go back to role. With everyone else on the team, they’ll be daring both those guys to shoot. 15 minutes of Dunn vs. 25+ minutes of Smart. Tell Dunn he’s here to be the defensive specialist on a championship team while he rehabs his value in a contract year. He’s never been on a playoff team. Put Smart on the the floor for 25+ minutes in a contract year and he’s gonna want to be a piece of the offense. I feel like Dunn’s bad offense is tolerable for 15 minutes, but starting to go more than that (with Smart) is going to start having noticeable side effects with our offense. I think we’d definitely feel it offensively if Smart is on the floor half the game or more. It would eat a lot into what we do.
 
infection said:
I’d again go back to role. With everyone else on the team, they’ll be daring both those guys to shoot. 15 minutes of Dunn vs. 25+ minutes of Smart. Tell Dunn he’s here to be the defensive specialist on a championship team while he rehabs his value in a contract year. He’s never been on a playoff team. Put Smart on the the floor for 25+ minutes in a contract year and he’s gonna want to be a piece of the offense. I feel like Dunn’s bad offense is tolerable for 15 minutes, but starting to go more than that (with Smart) is going to start having noticeable side effects with our offense. I think we’d definitely feel it offensively if Smart is on the floor half the game or more. It would eat a lot into what we do.
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Looking at the construction of our roster, I’m not sure Q would be giving Dunn 15 minutes a night. Because it’s his contract year, any languishing in the bench could be rough.

I’m still on-board with the idea. But I’m also really curious about what we have with Forrest and Butler. I can’t see how Mitchell, Conley, JC, Forrest, Butler, and Dunn get time.
 
FAILED STATE said:
Looking at the construction of our roster, I’m not sure Q would be giving Dunn 15 minutes a night. Because it’s his contract year, any languishing in the bench could be rough.

I’m still on-board with the idea. But I’m also really curious about what we have with Forrest and Butler. I can’t see how Mitchell, Conley, JC, Forrest, Butler, and Dunn get time.
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I'd certainly question his ability to give him that time, too, as he'll probably have a tight rotation, though probably not quite as tight as last year. Dunn's may not play every game (there's health questions, too), but Miye Oni played in 3/4 of the games and got 10 mpg. When you account for injuries and such it adds up. I think Forrest is the guy he takes minutes from. At least in my mind (maybe not in Quin's) he and Butler play completely different roles. Dunn's minutes come from a slight shave of Mitchell, Conley, and JC, then he gets all Oni minutes. I'm comparing this against Smart. If you plug Smart in to JC minutes, then I think you have the same issue with Forrest (you may not want to play him more minutes because it's the same type of minutes that you're giving Smart) and you have to hope that Butler makes up enough of JC's value (perhaps he does in terms of floor spacing). There's going to be the inevitable injury. I just think there's a lot of value in keeping JC on his contract, whether that's even for trade or whatever, but giving a real option for defense that has played NBA minutes. Now, maybe Forrest can do this, and that'd be great. I'd like to see Quin use Forrest as a wing defender, but thus far he didn't try that (despite him looking better than Oni). And perhaps he wouldn't even do that with Dunn. But I think if you're headed into a series with Harden and Kyrie, you may want a few minutes of Dunn.
 
infection said:
I'd certainly question his ability to give him that time, too, as he'll probably have a tight rotation, though probably not quite as tight as last year. Dunn's may not play every game (there's health questions, too), but Miye Oni played in 3/4 of the games and got 10 mpg. When you account for injuries and such it adds up. I think Forrest is the guy he takes minutes from. At least in my mind (maybe not in Quin's) he and Butler play completely different roles. Dunn's minutes come from a slight shave of Mitchell, Conley, and JC, then he gets all Oni minutes. I'm comparing this against Smart. If you plug Smart in to JC minutes, then I think you have the same issue with Forrest (you may not want to play him more minutes because it's the same type of minutes that you're giving Smart) and you have to hope that Butler makes up enough of JC's value (perhaps he does in terms of floor spacing). There's going to be the inevitable injury. I just think there's a lot of value in keeping JC on his contract, whether that's even for trade or whatever, but giving a real option for defense that has played NBA minutes. Now, maybe Forrest can do this, and that'd be great. I'd like to see Quin use Forrest as a wing defender, but thus far he didn't try that (despite him looking better than Oni). And perhaps he wouldn't even do that with Dunn. But I think if you're headed into a series with Harden and Kyrie, you may want a few minutes of Dunn.
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For sure. I’m just wondering where Dunn’s head would be—after a (contract) season where he probably gets limited, irregular minutes.

Again, for the record, I’m all about getting Dunn. The situation for acquisition seems pretty perfect on paper.

Maybe if Gay-Gobert combos work really well, we could play a few minutes with 3-guards alongside them.
 
FAILED STATE said:
For sure. I’m just wondering where Dunn’s head would be—after a (contract) season where he probably gets limited, irregular minutes.

Again, for the record, I’m all about getting Dunn. The situation for acquisition seems pretty perfect on paper.

Maybe if Gay-Gobert combos work really well, we could play a few minutes with 3-guards alongside them.
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Yeah, and those are the reasons I’m skittish on Smart. He’s going to want a role that you’re going to have to give him. Dunn is coming off an injury and played 4 games last year. While the role wouldn’t be huge, it would be a noticeable role and he’d be playing on a (hopefully) deep playoff team as being the featured defensive specialist, even if in limited minutes. The other part is that I’d be playing him specifically as a specialist, so it doesn’t really matter who you surround him with (he could siphon minutes 1-4, even if he’s not technically playing that). Closest thing to a closing pitcher (without closing).
 
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