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Game Thread Nov 04, 2021 05:30PM MT: Jazz at Hawks

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Hearsky said:
Do we miss the minivan? I think the questions needs to be asked.
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I think Paschall has done an admirable job in that role and we'll see how Gay comes back from injury....but Niang could have been a great value asset that we just let go. He's getting paid $3.3M a year for two seasons, barely over the minimum. Bertans got payed $80M over 5 years and I'm not sure he's even better than Niang. Bertans wasn't the only one who got paid either....Robinson, McDermott, and Kennard got the bag as well. I thought it was kinda crazy that Niang got as little as he did. Even if he's not as good as those guys he's getting a third or even closer to a fifth of what some exclusive shooter types got.

I was huge on resigning Niang. I don't think we're necessarily missing him because we're still playing well, but that was a good opportunity to lock down a rotation player for cheap. Nice to have cheap contracts on the books when you're entering repeater tax.
 
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candrew said:
They forgot to add "Jordan Clarkson (Broken Jumper)" to the injury report.
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then we will see the biggest injury report in any professional sports history. Harden, Lillard, Embiid, Doncic, Trae Young, Bradley Beal, Devin Booker, Fox, Tatum, Joe Harris, Duncan Robinson all struggling with their shots right now.
 
KqWIN said:
I think Paschall has done an admirable job in that role and we'll see how Gay comes back from injury....but Niang could have been a great value asset that we just let go. He's getting paid $3.3M a year for two seasons, barely over the minimum. Bertans got payed $80M over 5 years and I'm not sure he's even better than Niang. Bertans wasn't the only one who got paid either....Robinson, McDermott, and Kennard got the bag as well. I thought it was kinda crazy that Niang got as little as he did. Even if he's not as good as those guys he's getting a third or even closer to a fifth of what some exclusive shooter types got.

I was huge on resigning Niang. I don't think we're necessarily missing him because we're still playing well, but that was a good opportunity to lock down a rotation player for cheap. Nice to have cheap contracts on the books when you're entering repeater tax.
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Niangs shot disappeared JC style when it mattered most. I love Niang and he did a good job fixing his weaknesses but he wasn’t a guy that could hang defensively in the playoffs. Paschall and Gay may end up putting up lower numbers and having a much bigger impact in the playoffs.

We are just fine without him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Niangs shot disappeared JC style when it mattered most. I love Niang and he did a good job fixing his weaknesses but he wasn’t a guy that could hang defensively in the playoffs. Paschall and Gay may end up putting up lower numbers and having a much bigger impact in the playoffs.

We are just fine without him.
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He was god awful during the playoffs, no doubt about that. His shot was the biggest thing holding him back, but I don’t believe one bad series or one bad playoff run means you can’t shoot forever.

Defensively I think he hangs as well as a lot of our players did. That’s definitely not a compliment…but I think he can still be a part of a playoff rotation as long as he hits his shots and I believe he can. The guys who got paid for their shooting aren’t exactly defensive aces either and that was well known when they got paid. I think Niang got too much flak for his defense, but even if he’s as bad as people say he is his shooting is still valuable. As long as he makes them of course :)

I don’t really buy into the “when it matters most” rhetoric unless I see a real basketball reason to make me believe that it wasn’t just a bad playoff run. He shot the well the year before and I don’t see why he couldn’t do it again. So many players have failed “when it matters most” and then the next year play well or vice versa. That’s the nature of small sample sizes. Rudy Gay hasn’t exactly played well “when it matters most” during the playoffs and Paschall couldn’t get on the court during the playins , but it means nothing to me.

Niang came at the cost of barely above the minimum, so even if he played zero playoff minutes I think that’s a bargain deal. It’s not too different from how I see Whiteside. If he continues to play well it’s a great deal regardless of whether he can play in the playoffs or not.

Like I said, I don’t think we’re really missing Niang because it appears that we’ve replaced him well. It may not be a huge loss for us, or even a loss at all, but it is definitely a huge win for PHI. Their fans should be ecstatic about that signing.
 
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KqWIN said:
He was god awful during the playoffs, no doubt about that. His shot was the biggest thing holding him back, but I don’t believe one bad series or one bad playoff run means you can’t shoot forever.

Defensively I think he hangs as well as a lot of our players did. That’s definitely not a compliment…but I think he can still be a part of a playoff rotation as long as he hits his shots and I believe he can. The guys who got paid for their shooting aren’t exactly defensive aces either and that was well known when they got paid. I think Niang got too much flak for his defense, but even if he’s as bad as people say he is his shooting is still valuable. As long as he makes them of course :)

I don’t really buy into the “when it matters most” rhetoric unless I see a real basketball reason to make me believe that it wasn’t just a bad playoff run. He shot the well the year before and I don’t see why he couldn’t do it again. So many players have failed “when it matters most” and then the next year play well or vice versa. That’s the nature of small sample sizes. Rudy Gay hasn’t exactly played well “when it matters most” during the playoffs and Paschall couldn’t get on the court, but it means nothing to me.

Niang came at the cost of barely above the minimum, so even if he played zero playoff minutes I think that’s a bargain deal. It’s not too different from how I see Whiteside. If he continues to play well it’s a great deal regardless of whether he can play in the playoffs or not.

Like I said, I don’t think we’re really missing Niang because it appears that we’ve replaced him well. It may not be a huge loss for us, or even a loss at all, but it is definitely a huge win for PHI. Their fans should be ecstatic about that signing.
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This is fine… I just don’t think it’s worth lamenting. We have more flexibility now. He wouldn’t play over Gay and Paschall may end being a push… but a push that’s cheaper and different… so the toolbox has expanded.

If we want to lament I think we should lament DL over ruling the other front office people and passing on Bane who is a bonafide nba starter in year 2 and is dirt cheap for the next three years.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This is fine… I just don’t think it’s worth lamenting. We have more flexibility now. He wouldn’t play over Gay and Paschall may end being a push… but a push that’s cheaper and different… so the toolbox has expanded.

If we want to lament I think we should lament DL over ruling the other front office people and passing on Bane who is a bonafide nba starter in year 2 and is dirt cheap for the next three years.
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We will see how things go. Niang wasn’t supposed to play over Jeff Green, sometimes expectations aren’t met. I would agree that it’s not really a decision to regret, however. Especially compared to others.

I loved me some Minivan and thought he was underrated while he was here. There’s still a sentiment out there that he was never an NBA player at all. Glad he’s found a good landing spot.
 
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