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Rondo on the Jazz

PKM said:
Yeah, hard to know .. regarding the being part of the rebuild project. Let me clarify on his attitude. He's not critical of mistakes, he's not critical of lack of ability, he's critical specifically with regard to effort. (and his definition of effort is a bit different from most)
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Hmm ok. Well if it happens, cool. Also, I just had a fantasy of being matched up against OKC in the distant playoffs with Rondo to guard Westbrook and Gilchrist to guard Durant...yay baby.....
 
Interesting to get an inside perspective... that fits with what I've generally felt about Rondo. I really like him and feel his attitude is positive (very intense and determined), and I'm somebody who doesn't particularly like many of today's brash young stars because of personality/attitude reasons, so I'm actually fairly picky about that sort of thing.

I became a Jazz fan growing up in California because John Stockton was my favorite player, and he was who I studied and tried to pattern my game after in high school. He's still a hero of mine and my favorite player of all-time. I think because of this I place an extremely high value on unselfish team basketball, strong fundamentals, and character. Rondo is as unselfish as it gets, and while his shooting fundamentals could obviously use work, he is a hard worker and a VERY strong passer, ballhandler, and defensive player. If our long-term goal is for Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Kanter to provide a big offensive punch, we really don't need (or want IMO) a scoring-minded, high-ppg point guard. The way I see it, Rondo's 11-11-5-2.5 sort of game would be perfect for us.

On another note, I don't put a ton of faith in the Hollinger-style advanced metrics stuff for basketball, but I thought it was interesting that when he did a feature finding which modern players statistically "most resembled" previous-era stars, Rondo was found to resemble Stockton far more than anyone else currently in the league did. I think I remember the article mentioning that if Rondo's percentages rose, their statistical profile would have been eerily similar. Like I said, not super-into stats, but they obviously have some value, and as a huge Stockton fan, I have always seen some of those same qualities in Rondo. What can I say, I would love to see us ship out, say, Jefferson and Harris and get back Rondo, an expiring, and a pick or something (probably would have to be in some sort of 3-team deal).

PG: Rondo (35) Watson (13)
SG: Burks (35) Hayward (13)
SF: Hayward (22) Millsap (26)
PF: Favors (35) Okur (13)
C: Kanter (35) Okur (13)

Picture that 8-man rotation (or something fairly similar) a couple of years down the road... I would be very excited to be in that spot!
 
kane303 said:
Interesting to get an inside perspective... that fits with what I've generally felt about Rondo. I really like him and feel his attitude is positive (very intense and determined), and I'm somebody who doesn't particularly like many of today's brash young stars because of personality/attitude reasons, so I'm actually fairly picky about that sort of thing.

I became a Jazz fan growing up in California because John Stockton was my favorite player, and he was who I studied and tried to pattern my game after in high school. He's still a hero of mine and my favorite player of all-time. I think because of this I place an extremely high value on unselfish team basketball, strong fundamentals, and character. Rondo is as unselfish as it gets, and while his shooting fundamentals could obviously use work, he is a hard worker and a VERY strong passer, ballhandler, and defensive player. If our long-term goal is for Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Kanter to provide a big offensive punch, we really don't need (or want IMO) a scoring-minded, high-ppg point guard. The way I see it, Rondo's 11-11-5-2.5 sort of game would be perfect for us.

On another note, I don't put a ton of faith in the Hollinger-style advanced metrics stuff for basketball, but I thought it was interesting that when he did a feature finding which modern players statistically "most resembled" previous-era stars, Rondo was found to resemble Stockton far more than anyone else currently in the league did. I think I remember the article mentioning that if Rondo's percentages rose, their statistical profile would have been eerily similar. Like I said, not super-into stats, but they obviously have some value, and as a huge Stockton fan, I have always seen some of those same qualities in Rondo. What can I say, I would love to see us ship out, say, Jefferson and Harris and get back Rondo, an expiring, and a pick or something (probably would have to be in some sort of 3-team deal).

PG: Rondo (35) Watson (13)
SG: Burks (35) Hayward (13)
SF: Hayward (22) Millsap (26)
PF: Favors (35) Okur (13)
C: Kanter (35) Okur (13)

Picture that 8-man rotation (or something fairly similar) a couple of years down the road... I would be very excited to be in that spot!
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great post, you almost have me sold on the guy!
 
kane303 said:
Interesting to get an inside perspective... that fits with what I've generally felt about Rondo. I really like him and feel his attitude is positive (very intense and determined), and I'm somebody who doesn't particularly like many of today's brash young stars because of personality/attitude reasons, so I'm actually fairly picky about that sort of thing.

I became a Jazz fan growing up in California because John Stockton was my favorite player, and he was who I studied and tried to pattern my game after in high school. He's still a hero of mine and my favorite player of all-time. I think because of this I place an extremely high value on unselfish team basketball, strong fundamentals, and character. Rondo is as unselfish as it gets, and while his shooting fundamentals could obviously use work, he is a hard worker and a VERY strong passer, ballhandler, and defensive player. If our long-term goal is for Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Kanter to provide a big offensive punch, we really don't need (or want IMO) a scoring-minded, high-ppg point guard. The way I see it, Rondo's 11-11-5-2.5 sort of game would be perfect for us.

On another note, I don't put a ton of faith in the Hollinger-style advanced metrics stuff for basketball, but I thought it was interesting that when he did a feature finding which modern players statistically "most resembled" previous-era stars, Rondo was found to resemble Stockton far more than anyone else currently in the league did. I think I remember the article mentioning that if Rondo's percentages rose, their statistical profile would have been eerily similar. Like I said, not super-into stats, but they obviously have some value, and as a huge Stockton fan, I have always seen some of those same qualities in Rondo. What can I say, I would love to see us ship out, say, Jefferson and Harris and get back Rondo, an expiring, and a pick or something (probably would have to be in some sort of 3-team deal).

PG: Rondo (35) Watson (13)
SG: Burks (35) Hayward (13)
SF: Hayward (22) Millsap (26)
PF: Favors (35) Okur (13)
C: Kanter (35) Okur (13)

Picture that 8-man rotation (or something fairly similar) a couple of years down the road... I would be very excited to be in that spot!
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Insanely good first post. Rep'd. (I'm not saying I necessarily agree with everything point-by-point, but you stated your opinions and backed-up your assertions, nice work.)
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Utah gets Rondo
Celtics get Paul
Hornets get Harris & Millsap
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I would probably see if they would take jefferson first, but would definitely consider millsap. This would be one to the better deals for the hornets, since they are most likely losing West as well. So this fills their wholes at pg and pf.
 
kane303 said:
Interesting to get an inside perspective... that fits with what I've generally felt about Rondo. I really like him and feel his attitude is positive (very intense and determined), and I'm somebody who doesn't particularly like many of today's brash young stars because of personality/attitude reasons, so I'm actually fairly picky about that sort of thing.

I became a Jazz fan growing up in California because John Stockton was my favorite player, and he was who I studied and tried to pattern my game after in high school. He's still a hero of mine and my favorite player of all-time. I think because of this I place an extremely high value on unselfish team basketball, strong fundamentals, and character. Rondo is as unselfish as it gets, and while his shooting fundamentals could obviously use work, he is a hard worker and a VERY strong passer, ballhandler, and defensive player. If our long-term goal is for Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Kanter to provide a big offensive punch, we really don't need (or want IMO) a scoring-minded, high-ppg point guard. The way I see it, Rondo's 11-11-5-2.5 sort of game would be perfect for us.

On another note, I don't put a ton of faith in the Hollinger-style advanced metrics stuff for basketball, but I thought it was interesting that when he did a feature finding which modern players statistically "most resembled" previous-era stars, Rondo was found to resemble Stockton far more than anyone else currently in the league did. I think I remember the article mentioning that if Rondo's percentages rose, their statistical profile would have been eerily similar. Like I said, not super-into stats, but they obviously have some value, and as a huge Stockton fan, I have always seen some of those same qualities in Rondo. What can I say, I would love to see us ship out, say, Jefferson and Harris and get back Rondo, an expiring, and a pick or something (probably would have to be in some sort of 3-team deal).

PG: Rondo (35) Watson (13)
SG: Burks (35) Hayward (13)
SF: Hayward (22) Millsap (26)
PF: Favors (35) Okur (13)
C: Kanter (35) Okur (13)

Picture that 8-man rotation (or something fairly similar) a couple of years down the road... I would be very excited to be in that spot!
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You crushed this. Great job. Though I do disagree some with your breakdown at the 3-5 and how Okur's mentioned but Jefferson's not.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey32 View Post
"Utah gets Rondo
Celtics get Paul
Hornets get Harris & Millsap"

Curious what ya'll would think of cutting the Celts out of the deal and us getting Chris Paul for Harris and Millsap...
 
I completely agree with you 100% Kane. Imagine having that lineup for the 2011 season and then drafting Bradley Beal and Michael Gilchrist in the 2012 draft. We would easily be a championship contender for the next three years. Beal adds the deep threat of Ray Allen and Gilchrist adds the toughness of Gerald Wallace at the 2 and 3. Then for the 2012 season, Okur and Watson leave as free agents. We can add a third string PG and veteran center. Imagine the following lineup for the next 3-5 years:

PG: Rondo (35), Burks (11), Free Agent (2)
SG: Burks (18), Beal (24), Hayward (6)
SF: Gilchrist (30), Hayward (16)
PF: Favors (30), Millsap (16)
C: Kanter (36), Free Agent (12)

We could easily contend in 3 years.
 
SalmonHobo said:
Haha. Perhaps. I'm so torn on him. He has a potentially dominant low post game and has length. But his shot selection sort of blows and he's a fatass. If he hasn't corrected these issues this season, trade him.
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Feel the same way, exactly.
 
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