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Its less about the 2nd round and more just about I dont get the process. Drafting and developing talent from the 2nd round/undrafted is hard, but Utah has been exceptionally bad at it lately.
 
infection said:
The ghost of Dennis Lindsey past still haunts.

Also, I didn’t know we had any second rounders.
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The actual spooky thing is that the guys who made a lot of the decisions that we blamed DL for are probably still here. If they aren't still here, the new guys are making the same mistakes.

In Zanik Ainge we trust right? Everything bad that happened was Lindsey's fault lmao.
 
I also think the NBA needs to do something about OKC owning every single draft pick in existence for the next 1000 years.

One team having that much draft assets cant be good for the league and how easily teams can get deals done.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its just a second rounder guissss these things never matters dummy.
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Even if you couldn't care less about 2nd's, the Jazz did not make the right cash decision. The Tucker thing was bad, but at least it did save money...which cannot be said for this move. The Tucker thing might have just been a major **** up with good intentions initially. This move the intentions were clear, to save money, and they somehow failed to do so anyways.

All this to have Oni play 4 minutes of non garbage time basketball this year. I've been an Oni guy, but if the coach doesn't believe in him, there's no reason to keep him over cycling 10 day contracts. The disconnect between the FO and Quin obviously remains.

The Jazz need to get a real cap guy. Whoever is crunching the numbers now is probably crunching the numbers because they are someone's nephew.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Its less about the 2nd round and more just about I dont get the process. Drafting and developing talent from the 2nd round/undrafted is hard, but Utah has been exceptionally bad at it lately.
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Its about all of it for me...

We have some that get super hard when we flip our late first round pick for a couple seconds "those are so valuable guis.... front office nails it again!"

Those same folks then jump in and lol when we give up a pick for nothing other than cash savings "who cares.... its just a pick"

That fine on a fan board.... but when it also translates to our front office its an issue. We give up a super real and valuable asset in a 1st round contract to swap it for some measly savings of the difference in salary.... then route the amazingly valuable second rounder we got.... for some measly savings we could have gotten by simply waiving Oni to start the season.... we would have strung some 10-days deals together but that is likely what we do now.

We compound this by giving another year to Udoka... people here are like "its a tiny deal.... who cares?" Well Ryan cares.... and when you need to offload more second rounders to dump that deal to use the pennies elsewhere.

Also, the crowd that says "who cares... we can buy a second round pick on draft night". That is correct! and its a good strategy.... but use your second round picks during the season to acquire useful veterans to help at the trade deadline. We can't trade the 2023 second round pick we are going to buy on draft night for a player that can help.

Its just weird/sloppy financial and asset management.... all around the edges so it doesn't have a huge effect.... until you start to add it all up.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I also think the NBA needs to do something about OKC owning every single draft pick in existence for the next 1000 years.

One team having that much draft assets cant be good for the league and how easily teams can get deals done.
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Eh, you have to turn the picks into assets. The pick itself isn't an asset. See Fultz, Markelle. . .

Having "all the picks" almost guarantees that you will do something stupid with them.
 
KqWIN said:
Even if you couldn't care less about 2nd's, the Jazz did not make the right cash decision. The Tucker thing was bad, but at least it did save money...which cannot be said for this move. The Tucker thing might have just been a major **** up with good intentions initially. This move the intentions were clear, to save money, and they somehow failed to do so anyways.

All this to have Oni play 4 minutes of non garbage time basketball this year. I've been an Oni guy, but if the coach doesn't believe in him, there's no reason to keep him over cycling 10 day contracts. The disconnect between the FO and Quin obviously remains.

The Jazz need to get a real cap guy. Whoever is crunching the numbers now is probably crunching the numbers because they are someone's nephew.
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**** or outsource it to some Jazzfanz nerds for some free tickets and swag.... we might suck but we would suck less.
 
framer said:
Eh, you have to turn the picks into assets. The pick itself isn't an asset. See Fultz, Markelle. . .

Having "all the picks" almost guarantees that you will do something stupid with them.
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I'm not talking about OKC becoming too good, but I would think one team having a big portion of the draft assets will make deals harder to make for everyone else.
 
wait I thought Oni's not guaranteed until this Friday? can't we just waive him ourselves and still save money since his salary isn't fully guaranteed? What's the need to give up a second round pick?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm not talking about OKC becoming too good, but I would think one team having a big portion of the draft assets will make deals harder to make for everyone else.
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The NBA would step in and reduce a competitive advantage they have? I think it cuts both ways for OKC. When they want to turn the firsts into real players a team will ask for 3 firsts instead of 2.... I mean you have the picks.... give em up.

Philly and Boston didn't capitalize on their excess picks.... I think OKC will. We've not really seen one guy fully execute and see the "process" through from cradle to grave.
 
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