Hearsky
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Damn. It’s hard for me to root for a guy like that. That’s just 100% “I don’t give a **** about the team. It’s all about me” attitude.
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Game Thread Jan 10, 2022 05:00PM MT: Jazz at Pistons
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Damn. It’s hard for me to root for a guy like that. That’s just 100% “I don’t give a **** about the team. It’s all about me” attitude.
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It’s reminding me of the team right before covid when the players were openly saying that they weren’t focused on the right things. Offense still doing well, but much more selfish play and no defense being played at all.
I don’t think every player has bad intentions, but if you asked every player how they can help this team…most of them would say to get buckets or make plays with the ball. That’s just who they are as players. We have too many guys who help the team by scoring and not enough who can help in other ways.
I don’t think every player has bad intentions, but if you asked every player how they can help this team…most of them would say to get buckets or make plays with the ball. That’s just who they are as players. We have too many guys who help the team by scoring and not enough who can help in other ways.
Boler wouldn't as long as we have a couple players with headbands on, he can't tell the difference.
Katastrofica
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He is max contract player and he should eat dust to earn this paycheck. And this is only 1 posesion u can fund atlest 5 more every game. He is shooting guard nothing else tbh, iso player who's just getting he's stats...
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First, there is more than enough blame or issues for everyone, from the FO, coaching staff to the players but IMO coaching is the least of the concerns.
The main thing I would like Quin to do is start to cut minutes for players who aren't playing with the right energy or mind set. Like the beginning of the 3rd Qtr Mitchell was the biggest culprit, he mentally just was not ready to start the 3rd and made tons of bad passes and overall bad decisions. That snowballed into giving DET all the momentum and thus exposing the poor defense.
It's crazy how a TO or a missed layup (Mitchell has had a TON last 2 games) almost always ends up in a layup or wide open 3 for the other team. Other teams don't seem to have this issue and for the life of me I can't figure out why a missed layup is essentially like a TO giving the other team an easy shot.
But as also was mentioned Royce has been particularly bad on defense and his minutes are or should be much easier to reduce than Mitchell's who does need to carry the team. Heck in the last week or so at the end of games (the last 2min) I have seen Mitchell play better one on one defense than Royce has. Where Royce has been getting cooked most of the night not able to stay in front of his match up (last night it was Cunningham but there have been others) and then Mitchell gets switched on to him and for 2 or 3 possessions he stops that player from driving so easily and forces the player to either miss or pass back out after the failed drive attempt.
Anyway I think Royce's minutes should usually be more around the 24min range as he should be that defensive energy guy that can hit the wide open 3 and the Jazz need to find someone else who is also willing to play that role to reduce the heavy minutes on Royce. If Royce doesn't like it then he needs to expend more effort to show he deserves more minutes but right now it looks like he cannot expend the effort needed to play the 33-35min he gets most night.
The main thing I would like Quin to do is start to cut minutes for players who aren't playing with the right energy or mind set. Like the beginning of the 3rd Qtr Mitchell was the biggest culprit, he mentally just was not ready to start the 3rd and made tons of bad passes and overall bad decisions. That snowballed into giving DET all the momentum and thus exposing the poor defense.
It's crazy how a TO or a missed layup (Mitchell has had a TON last 2 games) almost always ends up in a layup or wide open 3 for the other team. Other teams don't seem to have this issue and for the life of me I can't figure out why a missed layup is essentially like a TO giving the other team an easy shot.
But as also was mentioned Royce has been particularly bad on defense and his minutes are or should be much easier to reduce than Mitchell's who does need to carry the team. Heck in the last week or so at the end of games (the last 2min) I have seen Mitchell play better one on one defense than Royce has. Where Royce has been getting cooked most of the night not able to stay in front of his match up (last night it was Cunningham but there have been others) and then Mitchell gets switched on to him and for 2 or 3 possessions he stops that player from driving so easily and forces the player to either miss or pass back out after the failed drive attempt.
Anyway I think Royce's minutes should usually be more around the 24min range as he should be that defensive energy guy that can hit the wide open 3 and the Jazz need to find someone else who is also willing to play that role to reduce the heavy minutes on Royce. If Royce doesn't like it then he needs to expend more effort to show he deserves more minutes but right now it looks like he cannot expend the effort needed to play the 33-35min he gets most night.
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Not that I'm a big plus/minus guy but IMO last night they do confirm what I thought my eyes were telling me. That Mitchell and Royce were hurting the Jazz (especially in the 3rd) more than helping.
Heck even to start the game the Jazz were a little lethargic but the bench came in more so later with Paschall and House and they had a bit more energy and suddenly Whiteside was better and Clarkson played with a bit more pep in his step and got that momentum going and got the Jazz the 22pt lead.
Heck even to start the game the Jazz were a little lethargic but the bench came in more so later with Paschall and House and they had a bit more energy and suddenly Whiteside was better and Clarkson played with a bit more pep in his step and got that momentum going and got the Jazz the 22pt lead.
Hearsky
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Strangest moment of the broadcast last night......DM threw a horrible and lazy pass that resulted in an easy layup for the Pistons. DM half assed it back. Without mention of the turnover, Boler started gushing about that as an example of how great of an athlete DM is and how much ground he can cover.
Anybody else think Boler has been particularly bad lately? I get a hunch he has been drinking excessively lately.
Anybody else think Boler has been particularly bad lately? I get a hunch he has been drinking excessively lately.
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Oh and lastly I meant to add that I really do think the Jazz offense on many nights hurts their defense even with Rudy but obviously with Rudy he covers up a lot of the warts.
It seems to be a tough and fine line to try and walk as Quin wants the team to play loose, free flowing and aggressive but they have to value the ball more and not force shots that ends up exposing the Jazz weak defense even more.
It seems to be a tough and fine line to try and walk as Quin wants the team to play loose, free flowing and aggressive but they have to value the ball more and not force shots that ends up exposing the Jazz weak defense even more.
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When I'm pissed (like last night) I will yell at the TV when Boler has one of his many stupid comments or misinformation and say "how can the Jazz play smart when Boler's dumb *** can't even get teh call right, his dumb***'ery is infecting the players".
Yeah no real logic but damnit I'm pissed and it helps me to vent rather than throw the remote.
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homeytennis
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One of the Jazz beat writers was writing Oni's obituary and opined that the final nail in his coffin occurred early this season when the Jazz were playing the Kings and when he got sent in the Jazz were up by ten and when Quin took him out they were down by 10. After that the only time he saw was in blowouts. I was never a big Oni supporter but Quin makes it really hard to take him seriously when Conley, Spida and Conley are stinking it up shooting a combined 9-52 and not turning to one of the other players. Heck we have seen that Hughes, Paschal and House have some game. When the starters stink, it might be time for a quicker hook until the starters start playing better. It appears that Fitts, Forrest and Butler are dead to Quin now.
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To be fair, Fitts got hurt against TOR and is out with a wrist injury and Butler is in Covid Protocol.