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Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't get the Barnes interest if it comes at the expense of Bojan. I prefer Bojan's shot making and familiarity to Barnes slightly better rebounding (his numbers will come down with Rudy). If there is some magical chairs stuff where we move Bojan for Smart and Royce and Joe for Barnes with draft stuff given out somewhere in there... then I get it. I don't think there is a big difference between Bojan and Barnes though.
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Barnes is an even bigger shot maker than Bogey. He's had three game winners for the Kings and at least one for the Mavericks I believe. His 3pt percentage is also better than Bogey this year
 
LoPo said:
Good read on Marcus Smart. Makes it seem like he should be traded but not everybody would be interested.

www.clnsmedia.com

Jeff Goodman: Celtics Have to "try and move" Marcus Smart - CLNS Media

On the latest edition of the Garden Report, Jeff Goodman gave his thoughts on why the Celtics should trade Marcus Smart.
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I think we’ve convinced ourselves to be “too realistic” surrounding trade values with Smart. We’re talking about needing to send first round picks and such to land him. But this Boston reporter is talking about how his contract is hard to move, and another Boston person had suggested Smart and a pick for Clarkson. We’re talking about Clarkson plus a pick or Bojan. I just don’t think Smart’s market is as high as we’ve made it seem here. His efficiency is really bad. Then couple that with his contract extension kicking in next year and that’s a huge pill to swallow to a team on the tax (both us and Boston) and that doesn’t get nearly enough attention. We’d be paying him $21M in ‘25-‘26. Plus simply swapping Clarkson for him this year costs us like $10M or something when all is said and done with tax (haven’t officially run the numbers, I’ll leave that to someone else). There’s no way we send (or at least no way we should send) a first rounder to enter tax hell. He’d be costing us other players next year. I’d make them eat Udoka’s deal.
 
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infection said:
I think we’ve convinced ourselves to be “too realistic” surrounding trade values with Smart. We’re talking about needing to send first round picks and such to land him. But this Boston reporter is talking about how his contract is hard to move, and another Boston person had suggested Smart and a pick for Clarkson. We’re talking about Clarkson plus a pick or Bojan. I just don’t think Smart’s market is as high as we’ve made it seem here. His efficiency is really bad. Then couple that with his contract extension kicking in next year and that’s a huge pill to swallow to a team on the tax (both us and Boston) and that doesn’t get nearly enough attention. We’d be paying him $21M in ‘25-‘26. Plus simply swapping Clarkson for him this year costs us like $10M or something when all is said and done with tax (haven’t officially run the numbers, I’ll leave that to someone else). There’s no way we send (or at least no way we should send) a first rounder to enter tax hell. He’d be costing us other players next year. I’d make them eat Udoka’s deal.
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I think part of this is we are just used to be the red-headed stepchild of franchises who always have to add 2nd round picks to offload contracts. So we reflexively add picks or otherwise sweeten deals we might not need to. And I am not just talking about the fans. I really wonder how often we have tacked on a pick to a bad deal just so they say yes right away and we don't have to negotiate much.
 


I’m not clamoring for Holiday or anything, but this is the kind of thing where you’re completely hamstrung by emptying your cupboards entirely of all second round picks gratuitously. And the “lolz you can just buy seconds on darft night” proves laughable.
 
infection said:


I’m not clamoring for Holiday or anything, but this is the kind of thing where you’re completely hamstrung by emptying your cupboards entirely of all second round picks gratuitously. And the “lolz you can just buy seconds on darft night” proves laughable.
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You can buy a late 2nd for actual hard cash and then use it. You don't get to hold onto it and use it for a trade later. Yeah, you could trade the player you drafted, but players that don't play and are drafted that late are always worth less than a 2nd round pick whose theoretical value is always higher, and whose applied value is still a mystery.

In other words, big ****en YEP.
 
infection said:
Actually here’s a good deal:

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

NBA trade machine, make player trades
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Throw in a second if you want.

Out: Royce, Butler, Udoka.
In: Holiday, Craig.
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I believe Holiday has been in Jazz training camp a couple of times only to be cut. I remember seeing him play for the Idaho Stampede (Stars predecessor). Our talent evaluators in the front office are all aces.
 
infection said:
I think we’ve convinced ourselves to be “too realistic” surrounding trade values with Smart. We’re talking about needing to send first round picks and such to land him. But this Boston reporter is talking about how his contract is hard to move, and another Boston person had suggested Smart and a pick for Clarkson. We’re talking about Clarkson plus a pick or Bojan. I just don’t think Smart’s market is as high as we’ve made it seem here. His efficiency is really bad. Then couple that with his contract extension kicking in next year and that’s a huge pill to swallow to a team on the tax (both us and Boston) and that doesn’t get nearly enough attention. We’d be paying him $21M in ‘25-‘26. Plus simply swapping Clarkson for him this year costs us like $10M or something when all is said and done with tax (haven’t officially run the numbers, I’ll leave that to someone else). There’s no way we send (or at least no way we should send) a first rounder to enter tax hell. He’d be costing us other players next year. I’d make them eat Udoka’s deal.
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Good post.

I'm very curious to see what Boston wants for Smart.
He fits so well at Dallas, but their exception isn't big enough so they would have to send Powell or Bullock who aren't great.
Cleveland is a good fit, but they really only have Rubio's expiring that matches salaries but takes Boston over the luxury.
Does NOLA give up a first and Satoransky?

I really think Clarkson for Smart is pretty fair. Boston completely avoids the luxury but gets much needed offense off the bench.
 
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