Jazz Fire Mike Elliot, Experience Worse Case of Injuries

[LoPo]

He probably left because why would any professional worth a damn stay in a job where he doesnt have control over his craft?

He told Mitchell his ankle needed more time and the Jazz/Mitchell ignored him. Maybe if they listened, Mitchell rest a few more games, the Jazz win the Memphis series, and go into the Clippers series with a fully healthy Mitchell and get to the next round.

Maybe we wouldn't have had to push Mitchell back if your boy Mike Conley could have beaten Memphis without him.

Truth is, Don had a bad high ankle sprain. Those things don't 100% heal for months. Another game, few games even couple weeks could have still had the same result. A little tweak is all it needs to regress again.

 

[infection]

The correlation between competent medical practice and injury isn’t super tight. It would only come in areas where specific decisions have to be made, and even in those circumstances the correlation has so many other confounding variables.

 

[NUMBERICA]

He probably left because why would any professional worth a damn stay in a job where he doesnt have control over his craft?

He told Mitchell his ankle needed more time and the Jazz/Mitchell ignored him. Maybe if they listened, Mitchell rest a few more games, the Jazz win the Memphis series, and go into the Clippers series with a fully healthy Mitchell and get to the next round.

A few extra games wasn’t going to make a difference, except drawing out or even losing the series and wearing everyone else down. Donovan should’ve either played game 1 or not played at all.

 

[infection]

An example of where a team physician can mismanage something would be like giving a guy with Achilles tendinitis a cortisone shot and letting him play, then watching him rupture his Achilles (Okur). In any case, however, there isn’t necessarily absolute right-and-wrong in those situations, but rather an informed understanding of the risks and benefits so that a decision can be made.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A few extra games wasn’t going to make a difference, except drawing out or even losing the series and wearing everyone else down. Donovan should’ve either played game 1 or not played at all.

I would have leaned towards not at all. Utah would have been able to win the series without him IMO.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

An example of where a team physician can mismanage something would be like giving a guy with Achilles tendinitis a cortisone shot and letting him play, then watching him rupture his Achilles (Okur). In any case, however, there isn’t necessarily absolute right-and-wrong in those situations, but rather an informed understanding of the risks and benefits so that a decision can be made.

Yeah, Im not saying 100% this is the reason, but I think it's silly to not think it's a possibility.

I just fear we have a coaching and training staff that is going to placate players too much. "Oh, this guys wants to be tough and play through injuries because it fits his brand, let's let him do that."

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would have leaned towards not at all. Utah would have been able to win the series without him IMO.

Even though Conley’s injury was probably inevitable and all the ballhandlers were cooked, scouted, or bad?

This is some clown **** dude.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Even though Conley’s injury was probably inevitable and all the ballhandlers were cooked, scouted, or bad?

This is some clown **** dude.

Yup. The Jazz still would have won.

Jazz barely lost game 1 because Gobert was in heavy foul trouble. The series would have been fine

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Donovan had already had a lengthy absence... He wasn't going to be 100% until the offseason.

Blaming the current injuries, Bojan's finger, Donovan's concussion, Joe's knee, on the new medical staff is crazy town. Joe wasn't in the best shape of his career... maybe he should have sat out to get right... good luck holding that guy out just because.

It's unfortunate... it sucks... but maybe we could ummmmm... IDK... not blame Donovan for Joe's injury. Maybe we could be just a little better... like 5% better than this. TIA

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Donovan had already had a lengthy absence... He wasn't going to be 100% until the offseason.

Blaming the current injuries, Bojan's finger, Donovan's concussion, Joe's knee, on the new medical staff is crazy town. Joe wasn't in the best shape of his career... maybe he should have sat out to get right... good luck holding that guy out just because.

It's unfortunate... it sucks... but maybe we could ummmmm... IDK... not blame Donovan for Joe's injury. Maybe we could be just a little better... like 5% better than this. TIA

If you read the thread I clarified the finger/concussion werent things I put on the new(er) staff

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you read the thread I clarified the finger/concussion werent things I put on the new(er) staff

Injuries happen... you can have the best training staff in the world. To assign blame for a catastrophic knee injury and calf strain to the medical team... is some dumb ****. It's clear you'd like to blame Donovan for this.. Maybe just give it a couple days before you decide to troll @LoPo maybe just let it breathe.

 

[rjfan]

As far as I understood, Bogey has a jammed finger, which isn't something you hold much control to avoid happening

I also don't know what you could do to avoid Donovan concussion

Mike is playing his best season in terms of avoiding injuries so far, so with him, they problably now what they're doing there

Rudy has a calf injury, but i don't think his minutes been unreasonable. He also may have played less full 4th quarters in the part of the season he played, than on the same of last season. Also one could point that his minutes increase may be linked to the fact that we've been not getting as much blowout wins as last season.

Royce seems to have some problem bugging his heel ? But we're way short on wing defenders, before Ingles injury, it problably would be easy to rest Bogey, in terms of shooting and scoring (dividing Bojan between Donovan once back, Mike, Ingles, Clarkson and Gay), but Royce, it's pretty much House, who's a worse defender and even still on a 10-day contract. And last season we played Clarkson through ankle problems too, so it's not like we've not done something similar before, and at a position we had better depth

Joe Ingles, yeah, I think that there may be a case that he could/should seen more load management. He sure looked gassed, mentally and physically. If we've been in a position to give this rest, that's another question