Trade deadline discussion

[Noomskull]

I’m still here, lurking and reading all of our posts. JazzFanz has become such a limp sag for our Team. Complaining and fighting with one another, forgetting the ultimate goal of winning an NBA championship.

Get it together and stop bickering. We have a top 7 team in the league!

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I’m still here, lurking and reading all of our posts. JazzFanz has become such a limp sag for our Team. Complaining and fighting with one another, forgetting the ultimate goal of winning an NBA championship.

Get it together and stop bickering. We have a top 7 team in the league!

Right because 1% of the fan base on a website fighting is going to stop the jazz from winning a chip? Idiot!! Fight that!!!

 

[sojodave]

I’m still here, lurking and reading all of our posts. JazzFanz has become such a limp sag for our Team. Complaining and fighting with one another, forgetting the ultimate goal of winning an NBA championship.

Get it together and stop bickering. We have a top 7 team in the league!

Welcome to Jazzfanz...lol

 

[Elizah Huge]

Am I remembering this wrong or is Eric Gordon not a great defender? I'm not talking bad, just not above average? I know he can score and shoot, I just don't see the need for a 6'3" 33 year old injury prone combo guard right now,
especially considering how few assets the Jazz have. I'd think there are better ways to use what they do have, especially since defense should be the focus on potential acquisitions.

This. He is a better defender than Clarkson, but not by a ton, and I guess if we could swap straight across it might be a moderate gain, but not enough to risk future assets.

I generally wonder if guys on here even watch basketball. He’s better than Clarkson but not by a ton? The worst playoff series Mitchell has had was because of Gordon.



He’s exactly the type of player we need.

 

[LogGrad98]

I generally wonder if guys on here even watch basketball. He’s better than Clarkson but not by a ton? The worst playoff series Mitchell has had was because of Gordon.

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He’s exactly the type of player we need.

So 3 years ago. And now he is 33. And now his DRTG is the lowest of his entire career at -2.5. Yet somehow he is a lockdown defender that will stop the greatest offensive threats in the NBA. I sometimes wonder if you even watch basketball at all. You do know that every year there is a new season, right? You should check them out now and then. Might learn something.

This is interesting:





Even from last year:

 

[LoPo]

So 3 years ago. And now he is 33. And now his DRTG is the lowest of his entire career at -2.5. Yet somehow he is a lockdown defender that will stop the greatest offensive threats in the NBA. I sometimes wonder if you even watch basketball at all. You do know that every year there is a new season, right? You should check them out now and then. Might learn something.

This is interesting:

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I think Gordon improves our team over Clarkson, but I just don't buy that he's what we are missing.

And yes, comparing his effectiveness on Donovan Mitchell 3 years ago when Houston really only had to stop Donovan and Joe - yeah, I'm not making a decision based off of those numbers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Am I remembering this wrong or is Eric Gordon not a great defender? I'm not talking bad, just not above average? I know he can score and shoot, I just don't see the need for a 6'3" 33 year old injury prone combo guard right now,
especially considering how few assets the Jazz have. I'd think there are better ways to use what they do have, especially since defense should be the focus on potential acquisitions.

He's a good defender. Not amazing. He's a great fit. He's also slightly overpaid for age and injury history... so I'm not giving up a pick for him. Maybe a lotto protected future pick and JC... and the lotto protected pick stays lotto protected from 2026-2028 and doesn't convey if we are always in the lotto.

There is no deal that changes our destiny. Just try not to eff up too much of our future please.

 

[hgb]

 

[LogGrad98]

Gordon is most definitely not worth giving up assets for. This year his D has slipped considerably over his past, similar to what we have seen in Joe. It is an age and injury thing. It happens. He is not that much better than Clarkson and the stats prove that out in spades. He is just not worth it. We can get better for Clarkson if we are patient. He will bring more in the offseason than we can get now. Better to not waste the assets.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

He's a good defender. Not amazing. He's a great fit. He's also slightly overpaid for age and injury history... so I'm not giving up a pick for him. Maybe a lotto protected future pick and JC... and the lotto protected pick stays lotto protected from 2026-2028 and doesn't convey if we are always in the lotto.

There is no deal that changes our destiny. Just try not to eff up too much of our future please.

Yep. Which is why we should try to get a younger piece if anything (and by younger I just mean in their prime and not an aging and decrepit 33 year old like me).

Adding an old piece is just another piece we’re going to figure out how to move over the summer when we flame out in the first round.

 

[LoPo]

Yep. Which is why we should try to get a younger piece if anything (and by younger I just mean in their prime and not an aging and decrepit 33 year old like me).

Adding an old piece is just another piece we’re going to figure out how to move over the summer when we flame out in the first round.

Exactly

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I really like Locke but his daily today has me a little triggered.

-starts with the lol... no front offices are idiots. Kewl... they may not be idiots... but the do stupid ****... whether that comes from their billionaire owners or the GM trying to save his job. Someone "smart" is doing dumb ****.
-then talks about how if you save 30M by dumping joe you have to do it. I honestly think we have a standing offer from OKC to amend the pick protections for them taking Joe. And we take back nothing. Says that is the smart thing to do.
-You dump the money because no trade is going to bring you a guy that closes... holy **** I am having deja vu @infection . Why add a player that isn't a starter or key rotation player who plays more than 20 minutes a night? you pulling Royce or Bogey off the court? I mean of course you aren't but we act like the 10 minutes Rudy sits don't count or the time other guys are on the court is meaningless or that injuries never happen.... then time and time again we get ****ing blind sided. I feel better about our depth than ever but this line of thinking bugs the hell out of me.
-If you claim to be all in... you don't do money moves like the one we will do with Joe. We likely also dump other salary if we do that move to get all the way under the tax... Rudy Gay or JC. You can't be all in and also hold back. Stop using the phrase.
-I think management kinda gets it that we aren't true contenders... I'm fine with that... doesn't mean you tear **** apart. Also means the smart move might be saving some money or not doing a big move... but can that be the narrative please... not this phony bull **** about us being all in.

 

[Avery]

Kind of amazing that the Kings are trying to go all-in just to get in the play-in tourney.

Reality is that we don't have a lot of cards to play.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yep. Which is why we should try to get a younger piece if anything (and by younger I just mean in their prime and not an aging and decrepit 33 year old like me).

Adding an old piece is just another piece we’re going to figure out how to move over the summer when we flame out in the first round.

If there is something out there I'm on board. I think we need to consider moves that prop the window open as long as they fit Donovan and Rudy's timeline. Just don't use a first to do it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Kind of amazing that the Kings are trying to go all-in just to get in the play-in tourney.

Reality is that we don't have a lot of cards to play.

Homie... you need to pay attention to me when it comes to the Kings... I been saying they all in for a while. Vivek doesn't want the loser label. Everyone was like "why would they want Bogey or Royce or Ingles?"

They got a fever and the only cure is the 10th seed.

 

[LoPo]

I really like Locke but his daily today has me a little triggered.

-I think management kinda gets it that we aren't true contenders... I'm fine with that... doesn't mean you tear **** apart. Also means the smart move might be saving some money or not doing a big move... but can that be the narrative please... not this phony bull **** about us being all in.

If we aren't contenders right now and we don't have the balls to make a trade to get us there, make a bold move right now. If you are intent on building around Donovan, trade Bojan, Rudy or Conley right now. Look ahead. Don't be stubborn.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I really like Locke but his daily today has me a little triggered.

-starts with the lol... no front offices are idiots. Kewl... they may not be idiots... but the do stupid ****... whether that comes from their billionaire owners or the GM trying to save his job. Someone "smart" is doing dumb ****.
-then talks about how if you save 30M by dumping joe you have to do it. I honestly think we have a standing offer from OKC to amend the pick protections for them taking Joe. And we take back nothing. Says that is the smart thing to do.
-You dump the money because no trade is going to bring you a guy that closes... holy **** I am having deja vu @infection . Why add a player that isn't a starter or key rotation player who plays more than 20 minutes a night? you pulling Royce or Bogey off the court? I mean of course you aren't but we act like the 10 minutes Rudy sits don't count or the time other guys are on the court is meaningless or that injuries never happen.... then time and time again we get ****ing blind sided. I feel better about our depth than ever but this line of thinking bugs the hell out of me.
-If you claim to be all in... you don't do money moves like the one we will do with Joe. We likely also dump other salary if we do that move to get all the way under the tax... Rudy Gay or JC. You can't be all in and also hold back. Stop using the phrase.
-I think management kinda gets it that we aren't true contenders... I'm fine with that... doesn't mean you tear **** apart. Also means the smart move might be saving some money or not doing a big move... but can that be the narrative please... not this phony bull **** about us being all in.

I hate the way this franchise operates. I think it was stupid to build around Rudy and Don with older guys that aren’t in their window.

Of course we are going to just dump Ingles. No one wants to give up a rotation piece for an injured expiring and second round picks. It sure sounds like that’s all we are offering.

We should be ACTIVELY marketing Bojan and Clarkson and trying to sell them.

It sure seems to me the FO is not sure what our identity is. It seems they know we aren’t a true contender, so aren’t willing to actually spend anything to try to make the roster better, but are still pretending we are a true contender by refusing to cash in our older dudes. This mentality signals salary dump move.

I mean, the Lakers are desperate enough they’d probably give us THT and a first rounder for Clarkson. I think you do that deal for the asset.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we aren't contenders right now and we don't have the balls to make a trade to get us there, make a bold move right now. If you are intent on building around Donovan, trade Bojan, Rudy or Conley right now. Look ahead. Don't be stubborn.

Not what I said. Bogey has value next year and the true core of this team is Rudy and Donovan. Conley I will take some calls on I suppose but you better blow me away. That is an offseason move. Bogey I'll take calls on but he's damn good so don't get cheap on me.

The right move might be rolling forward and giving it the college try to prove that there are issues... then you move Conley or Bogey. I am not above moving anyone... but I don't think the offers will be good enough for me to move either.

I will also hear out your offers for Rudy now too... but they better be crazy dumb. Only reason is I think he will get secretly shopped this offseason depending on how we go out in the playoffs. If the Kings had called and started with Tyrese, a couple of unprotected 1sts (including this year, Holmes, and stuff... like we would have had an internal meeting to discuss it at least.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I hate the way this franchise operates.

Of course we are going to just dump Ingles. No one wants to give up a rotation piece for an injured expiring and second round picks. It sure sounds like that’s all we are offering.

We should be ACTIVELY marketing Bojan and Clarkson and trying to sell them.

It sure seems to me the FO is not sure what our identity is. It seems they know we aren’t a true contender, so aren’t willing to actually spend anything to try to make the roster better, but are still pretending we are a true contender by refusing to cash in our older dudes.

I mean, the Lakers are desperate enough they’d probably give us THT and a first rounder for Clarkson. I think you do that deal for the asset.

I think we are marketing those guys but I am not trading Bogey unless the return is really good... and I don't think it will be.

 

[Qman]

Still holding out hope we can turn clarkson, ingles and our future 1st into Kenrich Williams and Maledon. Probably just a pipe dream.