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Roe v. Wade is going down

The Thriller said:
Pretty obvious which side of the political aisle these leaks are coming from…
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I don't know about the subsequent leaks you are correct that it is pretty obvious where the original leak to Politico came from. Her name is Elizabeth Deutsch and she is a law clerk for the retiring Justice Breyer. She got that job after working for the ACLU's Reproductive Freedom Project.

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She's also published Op/Ed pieces in the NY Times that of course centered on reproductive rights.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | No Contraception? No Equality (Published 2016)

The Supreme Court should not abridge women’s right to health care.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

While there are lots of abortion-obsessed law clerks who had access to the Alito opinion, there is only one abortion-obsessed law clerk whose husband is close personal friends with Politico reporter Josh Gerstein who first published Alito's draft. Elizabeth Deutsch's husband even used to work for Politico and co-authored pieces with Josh Gerstein.

Once the dam broke, the subsequent leaks could be coming from anywhere including the conservative side of the Supreme Court but there is only a mystery about the first leak among those with highly curated sources of information that keep them shielded from anything outside their echo chamber.
 
LogGrad98 said:
There is evidence that legalizing abortion strongly affected crime rates in the 90's all the way to the mid 2010's, largely due to the factors you mentioned here.
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The "factors mentioned here" are the abortion of black and brown babies. To be clear, you are saying that the abortion of black and brown babies lowers crime rates. LogGrad98=DutchJazzer?

As far as the Freakonomics claim, there is a reason all your articles in support have the exact same source. The claim was good for selling a lot of books but is total garbage that has been debunked hundreds of times including once by the Federal Reserve. I'll let you pick the sources but google "freakonomics wrong about abortion" and it should lead you to more than a dozen academic studies detailing the statistical sleight of hand. In reality, it was the tough-on-crime era with stop-and-frisk, 'broken windows policing', etc. that caused the drop in crime rates. It certainly was not that black and brown babies grow up to be criminals and so aborting them lowers the crime rate.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The "factors mentioned here" are the abortion of black and brown babies. To be clear, you are saying that the abortion of black and brown babies lowers crime rates. LogGrad98=DutchJazzer?

As far as the Freakonomics claim, there is a reason all your articles in support have the exact same source. The claim was good for selling a lot of books but is total garbage that has been debunked hundreds of times including once by the Federal Reserve. I'll let you pick the sources but google "freakonomics wrong about abortion" and it should lead you to more than a dozen academic studies detailing the statistical sleight of hand. In reality, it was the tough-on-crime era with stop-and-frisk, 'broken windows policing', etc. that caused the drop in crime rates. It certainly was not that black and brown babies grow up to be criminals and so aborting them lowers the crime rate.
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Did you read anything I posted?

What am I saying, of course not.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The "factors mentioned here" are the abortion of black and brown babies. To be clear, you are saying that the abortion of black and brown babies lowers crime rates. LogGrad98=DutchJazzer?
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White fetuses, as well. Male fetuses in general.

Al-O-Meter said:
In reality, it was the tough-on-crime era with stop-and-frisk, 'broken windows policing', etc. that caused the drop in crime rates.
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If so, then why did the drop persist after said policies were reversed.

Al-O-Meter said:
It certainly was not that black and brown babies grow up to be criminals and so aborting them lowers the crime rate.
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Agreed.

There are many factors. The baby boom created a huge surge in young men for about three decades. Leaded gasoline poisoned minds. Etc. Abortions probably played a part, as fewer young men means less crime.
 
I think it is more appropriate to state that when we have fewer citizens in poverty, crime rates go down. Abortion may have caused a decline, but that is a poor and limited solution to a bigger problem.


One Brow said:
White fetuses, as well. Male fetuses in general.


If so, then why did the drop persist after said policies were reversed.


Agreed.

There are many factors. The baby boom created a huge surge in young men for about three decades. Leaded gasoline poisoned minds. Etc. Abortions probably played a part, as fewer young men means less crime.
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TheGoldStandard said:
I think it is more appropriate to state that when we have fewer citizens in poverty, crime rates go down. Abortion may have caused a decline, but that is a poor and limited solution to a bigger problem.
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Yes if you get into the meat of the study it was showing that the correlation was that abortions happen disproportionately in lower income areas with lower income families, which then skews disproportionately toward minorities since they are more likely to be disadvantaged.

And I don't think anyone views it as a solution. It is just showing a correlation.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yes if you get into the meat of the study it was showing that the correlation was that abortions happen disproportionately in lower income areas with lower income families, which then skews disproportionately toward minorities since they are more likely to be disadvantaged.

And I don't think anyone views it as a solution. It is just showing a correlation.
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Sanger and eugenists see it as a solution.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
In reality, it was the tough-on-crime era with stop-and-frisk, 'broken windows policing', etc. that caused the drop in crime rates.
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A few links on "broken windows" policing:
www.pbs.org

The Problem with ‘Broken Windows’ Policing

In cities where Broken Windows has taken root, there’s little evidence that it's worked as intended. Newark, N.J. is one example.
www.pbs.org


View: https://www.npr.org/2016/11/01/500104506/broken-windows-policing-and-the-origins-of-stop-and-frisk-and-how-it-went-wrong


news.northeastern.edu

Northeastern University researchers find little evidence for ‘broken windows theory,’ say neighborhood disorder doesn’t cause crime

Northeastern researchers have found that broken windows and other signs of disorder don’t cause people to break the law.
news.northeastern.edu news.northeastern.edu
 
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