The What Can We Get For Bogey Thread

[KqWIN]

What POR got for CJ, Powell and ROCO is exactly why we should look to do deals with them. Its like when other teams were eager to do business with DL the last couple of years. Take advantage while we still can.

You're absolutely right about taking advantage of them, but it might be too late. We missed our window and all we got out of them was got some quick savings on Ingles deal. Getting MIL's 2025 isn't exactly taking advantage of them.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I generally think we overrate Bogey around these parts, but I think we ought to be able to get more than a bad first round pick for him. Then again, POR pretty much only got a bad first (they thought it might be better) for McCollum. When you're trading for picks, you're probably going to drain value. I think you get more value trading player for player, but that trade should have been done before last season started.

The MEM deal probably has the best value, but I don't think Brooks is that good of a player. Some would say he's better than Bogey, tough to pin these values. I like this type of trade more though. I'd tray to trade Bogey for a guy a few years younger and hopefully on a long term deal. IMO, getting a first should be the cost of taking on Harris and MIL's 2025 pick is not very valuable. That's a 4 year wait for what is likely to be a very late first round pick.

Agree with a lot of this... the 2025 Bucks pick is a solid pick (the wait sucks) but I think it has value in other ways if you wanted to re-trade it. Would be Jrue's age 34 season, Middletons age 33 season... Brook is gone by then. Those guys may not even be under contract at that point. Giannis may be looking to move on and could always end up with an injury and that pick becomes uber valuable. I would project it as a middle to early 20s first with some upside... but they could still be rolling? With more time more bad things can happen so the time is both a hinderance and a benefit.

The on court value is taking the pick and then using your MLE because you would be under the tax... or doing some sort of sign and trade for someone. But I think Ryan would just pocket the money and sell some BS to the fans.

 

[KqWIN]

Agree with a lot of this... the 2025 Bucks pick is a solid pick (the wait sucks) but I think it has value in other ways if you wanted to re-trade it. Would be Jrue's age 34 season, Middletons age 33 season... Brook is gone by then. Those guys may not even be under contract at that point. Giannis may be looking to move on and could always end up with an injury and that pick becomes uber valuable. I would project it as a middle to early 20s first with some upside... but they could still be rolling? With more time more bad things can happen so the time is both a hinderance and a benefit.

The on court value is taking the pick and then using your MLE because you would be under the tax... or doing some sort of sign and trade for someone. But I think Ryan would just pocket the money and sell some BS to the fans.

I don't think that pick has much value. You can talk yourself into a crazy hypothetical that makes it good...but I'm negotiating I'm saying fk you Giannis is still under contract and the Bucks are going to be great. Give me something better. Maybe you can work something out where you get the better of MIL and POR's pick that year. That's the kind of pick that gets you a decent role player rental at the deadline IMO, and we should hold out for more with Bogey.

If that's all that's on the table pick wise, I'd try to target a youngish player instead. Maybe taking onto a Gobert/Conley deal. I like going for Melton, Huerter....someone like that. I think the Lakers have some distant first? Maybe we take THT and Nunn and send them Bogey.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Bogey trades are very hard. I've been trying to figure out a Bogey trade I like (for the purpose to doing a roster recomp, not tank) for a damn year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think that pick has much value. You can talk yourself into a crazy hypothetical that makes it good...but I'm negotiating I'm saying fk you Giannis is still under contract and the Bucks are going to be great. Give me something better. Maybe you can work something out where you get the better of MIL and POR's pick that year. That's the kind of pick that gets you a decent role player rental at the deadline IMO, and we should hold out for more with Bogey.

If that's all that's on the table pick wise, I'd try to target a youngish player instead. Maybe taking onto a Gobert/Conley deal. I like going for Melton, Huerter....someone like that. I think the Lakers have some distant first? Maybe we take THT and Nunn and send them Bogey.

A variation on the Memphis deal... could do Melton and Koncar for Bogey. Saves money... gives two rotation players that do more than just shoot threes. Maybe they still want Brooks. Could also do Melton and Tillman... they are under the cap so the salary savings could be a nice benefit for us (ryan).

I think Atlanta would do a Bogey for Bogey but not likely Huerter. Depending on how aggressive they get to move Collins there may be something there (helps clear some cap for Hunter).

Bogey trades are hard which is what leads me to believe he has more value on court than what we can get in a trade. In season if we end up becoming a seller he could be moved for a late first.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think that pick has much value. You can talk yourself into a crazy hypothetical that makes it good...but I'm negotiating I'm saying fk you Giannis is still under contract and the Bucks are going to be great. Give me something better. Maybe you can work something out where you get the better of MIL and POR's pick that year. That's the kind of pick that gets you a decent role player rental at the deadline IMO, and we should hold out for more with Bogey.

If that's all that's on the table pick wise, I'd try to target a youngish player instead. Maybe taking onto a Gobert/Conley deal. I like going for Melton, Huerter....someone like that. I think the Lakers have some distant first? Maybe we take THT and Nunn and send them Bogey.

I could talk myself into a THT/Nunn and an unprotected first for Bogey... but that is a non-competitive move and I assume that would only be on the table if Rudy or Donovan are moved.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Teams that should be interested in Bogdanovic:
** Miami
** Golden State, not sure how the salaries would work; they're going to be deep LT
** Lakers, but they don't have anything of value to offer
** Philadelphia, but they want to get off of Tobias Harris
** Charlotte, if it helps them get off of Hayward somehow
** Brooklyn, if they move Joe Harris
** Maybe Minnesota, depending on other trades they make
** Maybe Denver
** Maybe Toronto

I don't think Portland wants to trade a top-8 pick for Grant. I could see them possibly offer it for Siakam though.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

A variation on the Memphis deal... could do Melton and Koncar for Bogey. Saves money... gives two rotation players that do more than just shoot threes. Maybe they still want Brooks. Could also do Melton and Tillman... they are under the cap so the salary savings could be a nice benefit for us (ryan).

I think Atlanta would do a Bogey for Bogey but not likely Huerter. Depending on how aggressive they get to move Collins there may be something there (helps clear some cap for Hunter).

Bogey trades are hard which is what leads me to believe he has more value on court than what we can get in a trade. In season if we end up becoming a seller he could be moved for a late first.

If there was some way to send Bogie and extras to the Hawks for Collins and we can pull off your Deni deal then we have quite a different team already. I feel like we may have some lateral moves we can make that may not make us better on paper but give us a different play style and chemistry and that could make all the difference...

 

[LoPo]

I could talk myself into a THT/Nunn and an unprotected first for Bogey... but that is a non-competitive move and I assume that would only be on the table if Rudy or Donovan are moved.

I've thought about that one long and hard, but just can't talk myself into it. THT, Nunn and a 1st for Bojan just doesn't work out for us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've thought about that one long and hard, but just can't talk myself into it. THT, Nunn and a 1st for Bojan just doesn't work out for us.

THT is the rare guy that went from crazy overrated to maybe slightly underrated. I don't think he is good but he is in a pretty rough situation for the type of player he is... or could be.

Don't get me wrong... I don't think he is worth his contract but he could be a guy that looks better outside of Lebron/LA's shadow. If Nunn got healthy he's a solid 3rd guard. We'd have to move JC and Mike for both of them to get significant playing time.

That's a trade that tells me they will blow it up after the year but it could end up surprising us that the players aren't complete trash.

 

[LoPo]

THT is the rare guy that went from crazy overrated to maybe slightly underrated. I don't think he is good but he is in a pretty rough situation for the type of player he is... or could be.

Don't get me wrong... I don't think he is worth his contract but he could be a guy that looks better outside of Lebron/LA's shadow. If Nunn got healthy he's a solid 3rd guard. We'd have to move JC and Mike for both of them to get significant playing time.

That's a trade that tells me they will blow it up after the year but it could end up surprising us that the players aren't complete trash.

I don't hate THT, but I don't see that as good value for Bojan.

If we do go the scorched earth route (trading Don and Rudy), it could be a good trade, but it doesnt look good supporting Don and Rudy, Don or Rudy.

But THT does play really hard. He might just need another shot.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Alright here is one that everyone can hate...

Utah out - Bogey, Royce, and Gay
Utah In - Gordon Hayward and PJ Washington, plus the 15th pick in the draft.

Charlotte in - Bogey and Richaun Holmes
Charlotte out - Hayward, Washington, #15

Sacramento in - Royce and Gay
Sacramento out - Holmes

Sac gets some wing help and gets out of Holmes deal... he was out of the rotation towards the end of the year... partly with some personal reason stuff. Sabonis and Holmes don't fit. Gay played well in Sacramento before... Royce gives them some wing help. They have some cap space so salaries don't have to be perfect.

Charlotte gets some salary flexibility and a center that pairs really well with Lamelo. He's on a reasonable salary and they get Bogey to replace Gordo on the wing.

Hayward's trade value being lower than Westbrooks (supposedly) is high comedy to me. I don't care about the history... just move on. If he's healthy he's a great fit. If not its only a two year deal. Washington is a great 4/5 option for us potentially... and then we hit it out of the park at #15 and draft the next Giannis or SGA or Donovan or Haliburton.

You are all welcome.