Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[KqWIN]

Right... but saying we'd rather have Okongwu is nice and all but its kinda like saying we don't want Clint but we will take a few firsts instead. I actually think taking Capela might provide the incentive that gets you Okongwu.

I think the Capela deal not being ideal is going to be part of the reason you get more. Say they leave Capela out and the offer is Huerter and Collins for Rudy... then they route #16 and Capela elsewhere. I think Clint is an averageish starting center and I would not see his inclusion as this massive negative value if I am also pitching Rudy as this HUGELY positive value on a deal that is $100M more than Clint's. I'd rather accept that deal and get the extra stuff that we can because of it.

I think there is a middle ground where its Collins, Huerter, Capela, #16 for Rudy Gobert, Gay, NAW... sub Okongwu in for #16 and/or Collins in some iterations. I think if you are dead set on not taking back Capela then its like Rudy for JC, Huerter (then you spend MLE or something on center)... I'll take Capela/16 and send out Gay's salary in that scenario instead.

Capela isn't a deal breaker for me.

Capela isn't a deal break for me either, but I want something extra back if we're taking him on. I really don't want to enter a negotiation thinking that we're getting a cheaper, contract friendly version of Gobert. If Capela is in the deal, which he will almost certainly will be in an ATL trade, that should be seen as a negative not a positive. There's no chance I'm taking Capela and thinking, "wow we just got a really solid C and a reasonable deal". There will be teams that think that of Capela, but I do not want to be one of them. I would much rather swing him to CHO or use the extra added incentive to send him to IND for Turner.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Capela isn't a deal break for me either, but I want something extra back if we're taking him on. I really don't want to enter a negotiation thinking that we're getting a cheaper, contract friendly version of Gobert. If Capela is in the deal, which he will almost certainly will be in an ATL trade, that should be seen as a negative not a positive. There's no chance I'm taking Capela and thinking, "wow we just got a really solid C and a reasonable deal". There will be teams that think that of Capela, but I do not want to be one of them. I would much rather swing him to CHO or use the extra added incentive to send him to IND for Turner.

Agree on all of this except the Turner part... which I would understand. I just think he may never be reliably healthy and the foot problems scare me. Several guys have overcome it.. his body is just kinda wonky.

I'd act real grumpy about taking Clint and see if it gets the extra first they owe to charlotte... then maybe see if you flip that for Rozier. I don't really care too much about the small guard thing... building with Donovan is likely a little tough to do if you simply say we can't have any other like sized guys.

 

[YoungJefe]

Toronto and Atlanta want Ayton. I would imagine they both want Rudy too. I wonder who goes first.

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Ayton deal is trickier because it has to be a S&T.

Suns reportedly discussing an Ayton/Turner swap

 

[KqWIN]

Agree on all of this except the Turner part... which I would understand. I just think he may never be reliably healthy and the foot problems scare me. Several guys have overcome it.. his body is just kinda wonky.

I'd act real grumpy about taking Clint and see if it gets the extra first they owe to charlotte... then maybe see if you flip that for Rozier. I don't really care too much about the small guard thing... building with Donovan is likely a little tough to do if you simply say we can't have any other like sized guys.

Yeah I was one of those people who were worried about Myles because he runs funny....would have to do their research on his foot. Could have been fake to tank, but Turner breaking down would not be surprising. If we can eek out an additional first by negotiating hard, I'm willing to send one for Turner.

I just kinda like the idea of Tuner-Collins as a frontcourt. It'd be fun to watch while Don is still here, and I think there's a decent chance one of them can make a jump.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ayton deal is trickier because it has to be a S&T.

Suns reportedly discussing an Ayton/Turner swap

Dangerous for Indiana... Ayton is not the most motivated dude in the world. He may go full Minny Wiggins there. I think that is part of the reason Phoenix was worried about paying him.

The S&T element is not as tricky with Indiana since they are under the cap... the salary matching should be easy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah I was one of those people who were worried about Myles because he runs funny....would have to do their research on his foot. Could have been fake to tank, but Turner breaking down would not be surprising. If we can eek out an additional first by negotiating hard, I'm willing to send one for Turner.

I just kinda like the idea of Tuner-Collins as a frontcourt. It'd be fun to watch while Don is still here, and I think there's a decent chance one of them can make a jump.

Agree... I think they sat him in part for fear he'd get hurt again and wouldn't have trade value. They also were tanking so it worked all the way around.

My biggest fear is you bring him in and he's healthy-ish for a year and you re-sign him to a spendy deal. Its not an issue if its just a "meh" pick and he is hurt.

 

[YoungJefe]

Dangerous for Indiana... Ayton is not the most motivated dude in the world. He may go full Minny Wiggins there. I think that is part of the reason Phoenix was worried about paying him.

The S&T element is not as tricky with Indiana since they are under the cap... the salary matching should be easy.

Possibly but Indiana's a small market team and they'll likely lose Turner regardless next offseason anyway. The Suns owner is notoriously cheap and doesn't want to be deep into the luxury tax. I'd love it for the Pacers tbh, Ayton isn't great but he's a consistent 18/10 guy. Would give them Haliburton, Duarte, Ayton, #6 pick as their young core to build around.

I just meant it gets tricky because it can't happen before the draft so that eliminates the opportunity for a team with a high lottery pick using it to acquire him.

 

[LoPo]

Possibly but Indiana's a small market team and they'll likely lose Turner regardless next offseason anyway. The Suns owner is notoriously cheap and doesn't want to be deep into the luxury tax. I'd love it for the Pacers tbh, Ayton isn't great but he's a consistent 18/10 guy. Would give them Haliburton, Duarte, Ayton, #6 pick as their young core to build around.

I just meant it gets tricky because it can't happen before the draft so that eliminates the opportunity for a team with a high lottery pick using it to acquire him.

I agree. Ayton to Indiana is a home run if they don't have to give up too much.

 

[YoungJefe]

I'd want something like:

Jazz: Collins, Hunter, Plumlee, #13, #16
Hawks: Gobert, Bojan
Hornets: Capela

 

[YoungJefe]

I agree. Ayton to Indiana is a home run if they don't have to give up too much.

It'd just be an Ayton/Turner swap I think. Pacers get a young building block, Suns get a cheaper veteran center that allows them to remain in the hut out West while saving like $15m

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Possibly but Indiana's a small market team and they'll likely lose Turner regardless next offseason anyway. The Suns owner is notoriously cheap and doesn't want to be deep into the luxury tax. I'd love it for the Pacers tbh, Ayton isn't great but he's a consistent 18/10 guy. Would give them Haliburton, Duarte, Ayton, #6 pick as their young core to build around.

I just meant it gets tricky because it can't happen before the draft so that eliminates the opportunity for a team with a high lottery pick using it to acquire him.

I like it for them... it makes sense. I'd just be a tad nervous. If I was Indiana I'd probably rather send Turner for 15 or 13 as was the rumor a few days ago and take Williams. Indiana is allergic to tanking though so they might not be patient. They likely can't use their cap space in amazing ways anyway so Ayton makes sense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd want something like:

Jazz: Collins, Hunter, Plumlee, #13, #16
Hawks: Gobert, Bojan
Hornets: Capela

Hornets won't want Capela's salary unless they can offload some... not sure why they give a lotto pick to do it. Salaries also don't match there. I think it is more likely Hayward or Rozier are involved if they take Capela.