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Beverley to Lakers for THT and Stanley Johnson

Saint Cy of JFC said:
THT would be a possible salary filler or addition to any Russ trade.

The Jazz got the guy they seemed to want and made sure he didnt get dealt elsewhere.

Yes, this is much more plausible than a "down payment".
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I can't understand why you think in such mutually exclusive terms.
 
Elizah Huge said:
We have 15 players on the roster now. If we’re getting multiple pieces back from the Knicks we will have to move some guys in a 3-for-1 type of deal. I wonder what kind of deal is out there for that…
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We arent doing the Knicks trade...
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I was referring to our business... like that whole Donovan Mitchell trade thing. Why wouldn't we wait to handle our other business?

They also have other bigger business I am sure it would have been preferable to take care of first...

The timing is curious and fair to question for both teams.
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My guess? The Jazz wanted this deal so they did it. Also because Beverley might be irrelevant to their other plans. As a down payment to prevent a looming Pacers trade? Nah...no way lol. Bogey-Beasley/Clarkson-Reddish for WB is still very much alive, but it's not alive because the Jazz stalled a Pacers trade from happening.
 
KqWIN said:
My guess? The Jazz wanted this deal so they did it. Also because Beverley might be irrelevant to their other plans. As a down payment to prevent a looming Pacers trade? Nah...no way lol. Bogey-Beasley/Clarkson-Reddish for WB is still very much alive, but it's not alive because the Jazz stalled a Pacers trade from happening.
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Doesn't just have to be to delay a Pacers deal. Why no way this is plausible? Why can't it be like "hey we agree in principle on this deal but we'd like some action now to make sure you are serious". Like exactly how people show an offer is serious in real estate or business... take some real action now... we can execute the rest later. If you trade Bev now it doesn't jeopardize the other deal later... just like it doesn't jeopardize a potential Donovan deal... so go ahead and execute it now.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
In some cases that would be helpful.
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Not really... they trying to take back $70M in salary... and legit had that type of offer out there making the Jazz jump at the deal now.
 
I think I'm half-way persuaded by HH -- not a down payment, but more just a "don't forget about us as you're negotiating your next deal -- we might just have what you want there as well." The kind of thing that makes it just a bit harder for the trade partner to ignore your next offer.

I'm also reasonably sold that the Jazz were happy to do the deal on its own. It's been no secret (for a long time) that the Jazz had liked THT from the draft process.

I think I'd put the Pacers trade with the Lakers at 60%. Bigger names, younger players who have been long term starters.

But HH is right that if the Lakers prioritize clean books next year, we can make a very competitive offer: Bogey, Beasley, (likely Reddish), and (if needed) Vanderbilt. I think that's the kind of offer that would at least cause the Lakers to think twice.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Or the Jazz just wanted to secure the player and not risk it...
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That's fine... I also buy some of the not wanting Bev to get too vocal stuff so do it now. I buy that maybe they like him more than I do and didn't think it mattered if they had Bev available.

I also see a world where they have a bigger deal essentially agreed to and executed this part early to give the guys some certainty or because the front offices wanted to commit each other to something now. It's less likely but I guess I am not as rigid as some who think its lol worthy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Doesn't just have to be to delay a Pacers deal. Why no way this is plausible? Why can't it be like "hey we agree in principle on this deal but we'd like some action now to make sure you are serious". Like exactly how people show an offer is serious in real estate or business... take some real action now... we can execute the rest later. If you trade Bev now it doesn't jeopardize the other deal later... just like it doesn't jeopardize a potential Donovan deal... so go ahead and execute it now.
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If both teams like the deal and it doesn't affect the other deals they do it. That's exactly what I'm saying. What you're saying is that this deal somehow entices the Lakers to do business they wouldn't have done otherwise. If they like the Pacers deal more, they're going to take it. If they like the Jazz deal more, they're going to take it. It's not like Danny gave the Lakers a sample of crack cocaine to hook them in.
 
idiot said:
I think I'm half-way persuaded by HH -- not a down payment, but more just a "don't forget about us as you're negotiating your next deal -- we might just have what you want there as well." The kind of thing that makes it just a bit harder for the trade partner to ignore your next offer.

I'm also reasonably sold that the Jazz were happy to do the deal on its own. It's been no secret (for a long time) that the Jazz had liked THT from the draft process.

I think I'd put the Pacers trade with the Lakers at 60%. Bigger names, younger players who have been long term starters.

But HH is right that if the Lakers prioritize clean books next year, we can make a very competitive offer: Bogey, Beasley, (likely Reddish), and (if needed) Vanderbilt. I think that's the kind of offer that would at least cause the Lakers to think twice.
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I think the Jazz are doing a horrible job on the phones if they have to make a "bad" deal to make sure the Lakers know they are interested in WB. Like....in what world do the Lakers forget that the Jazz are an option for WB? Patrick Beverley isn't a basket you send your clients during the holidays.
 
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