Yep. Ignore my enthusiasm. I didn't read the trade right. I still like it though. 76ers also get Bogey and Clarkson. But if we have to do this for Laker picks then I would go for it.
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It was one Laker pick, though (27), and 76ers in '29 (which might be just as good).
I’m not reporting anything with this comment and this is just a guess but I don’t see the Jazz trading Jordan Clarkson…..
I’m afraid the only value for Conley and Gay is salary filler
Conley is guaranteed 14.3M next year. The Lakers could trade for him then waive and stretch him if they really needed to. He’d only count as 2.86M towards the cap the next 5 years.
The waive and stretch provision is for twice the length of the years left on the contract plus one year. So it would be 14.3 million divided by three, which is ~4.8 million which is not a ton but certainly not nothing in a cap space year.
Yes, you’re right. I was counting this year as well by accident.
Regardless I don’t think they’re is a more perfect fit combination wise for their team that is available than Bogey/Conley right now.
Release the Kraken
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This Westbrick scheme is such a bad idea on so many levels it’s not even funny anymore. First of all a deal like this assumes that the pigeon in the deal (Westbrick) is going to play ball and be bought out at a decent discount. So this grandstander that wouldn’t give the Lakers a discount (ala Harden) is all of a sudden going to change his stripes once traded? Absolutely not! Particularly with the articles out there stating he goes to China after us or Indy buys him out because he’s become that much of a pariah in the NBA. So your stuck with another malcontent on your bench that will do nothing in the way of player development.
And it’s one pick not two and the Lakers want Beasley and Clarkson to round out not Conley. Pelinka is trying to out-noodge the noodgemeister DA. This is a total ****-sandwich folks and Ainge is too smart to fall for it (prays)!
A much better route is to take Miami’s first for Duncan Robinson in a Bogey straight up, buy out Gay and Bass (bringing our roster down to 17 including the two ways) and keep Conley around as a mentor - he’s great in that capacity!
And it’s one pick not two and the Lakers want Beasley and Clarkson to round out not Conley. Pelinka is trying to out-noodge the noodgemeister DA. This is a total ****-sandwich folks and Ainge is too smart to fall for it (prays)!
A much better route is to take Miami’s first for Duncan Robinson in a Bogey straight up, buy out Gay and Bass (bringing our roster down to 17 including the two ways) and keep Conley around as a mentor - he’s great in that capacity!
Coach Ellis
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I don’t think you make the trade expecting Westbrook to take a steep discount in a buyout. Instead, you make the trade prioritizing the assets and give him a number you can live with on the buyout. If he takes it, great. If not, you tell him to stay home and then wait until sometime after training camp to cut him. He’ll be forced to take the minimum because everyone will have used their MLE and allocated their roster spots and budget for the season. As long as the Jazz don’t tie up guaranteed money in future seasons, they can cut whoever they need to in order to get down to 15.
Release the Kraken
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Much better options out there than that. Clarkson and Beasley garner a first on their own in the right deal.
Two firsts you might think about it but that’s not what’s on the table!
My trade idea
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2l3fc6sp
Jeanie has constantly said a lack of a quality backup to AD was a key problem. In this trade they get Myles Turner, Bogey, and Beasley. All expirings. They give up Westbrook, Nunn, both picks to the Jazz and 2 seconds to the Pacers. This revs up the Lakers shooting to one of the best in the League and it strengthens their interior defense - Lakers become frighteningly good and become the most likely place Kyrie signs next year.
The Jazz give up Bogey, Beasley, Conley, Gay, '25 Cavs and get Russel Westbrook, and both Lakers picks. (We can sweeten it by adding Butler to the Lakers too). The Jazz drop 12 million in salary this year which allows them to use one of their TPE's and I would personally hold onto Westbrook's contract and take back salary for more picks at the trade deadline or end of the season.
Indiana gives up Myles Turner and gets Conley, Gay, Nunn, '25 Cavs and 2nds from the Lakers. Conley, Gay, and Nunn can all be rerouted during the season to get more seconds or firsts if the Pacers take on salary (they are under the cap).
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2l3fc6sp
Jeanie has constantly said a lack of a quality backup to AD was a key problem. In this trade they get Myles Turner, Bogey, and Beasley. All expirings. They give up Westbrook, Nunn, both picks to the Jazz and 2 seconds to the Pacers. This revs up the Lakers shooting to one of the best in the League and it strengthens their interior defense - Lakers become frighteningly good and become the most likely place Kyrie signs next year.
The Jazz give up Bogey, Beasley, Conley, Gay, '25 Cavs and get Russel Westbrook, and both Lakers picks. (We can sweeten it by adding Butler to the Lakers too). The Jazz drop 12 million in salary this year which allows them to use one of their TPE's and I would personally hold onto Westbrook's contract and take back salary for more picks at the trade deadline or end of the season.
Indiana gives up Myles Turner and gets Conley, Gay, Nunn, '25 Cavs and 2nds from the Lakers. Conley, Gay, and Nunn can all be rerouted during the season to get more seconds or firsts if the Pacers take on salary (they are under the cap).
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Ineptimusprime
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I’d be happy to see the Jazz keep Clarkson, but why do you see the Jazz holding onto him? Doesn’t he fall into the same category of aging vets that don’t help the tank as Conley and Bogey do?
mongoose01
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Clarkson is a solid pro- he’s going to be the Jazz all star this year. He’s the vet leader showing all the scrubs how to be a professional. I think he gets traded though.
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I’m not quite sure there is better available picks in the entire league than the Lakers 27/29 unprotected 1sts. Those are about as sweet as you can get.
Coach Ellis
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Beasley maybe - at the deadline depending on how the Jazz use him. Clarkson seems to have depreciated dramatically in trade value in a little over a year. Chatter and rumors suggest you couldn’t get a first round pick for him right now.
I would take one of the Lakers unprotected 1sts vs two protected 1sts from some other teams (which is what those two would net us).
No it doesn’t.
And it’s not close at all. Finding premium assets right now are doubly important since the Jazz might not net one from the Donovan trade.