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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Jingled said:
I've thought about this a lot too, but I'm not sure how good we would've been. Is a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert really better than Conley/Mitchell/Bogey/Royce/Gobert? Obviously Markkanen is a better player overall than Royce, at least offensively, but Sexton isn't nearly as good as Mitchell. Seems like that team is destined for a first-round exit just like last years team. I guess we possibly could've used the draft assets we got in the Mitchell deal to trade for another star to play with Gobert, but I'm not sure who that would've been, or if it would've worked out any better than Mithell and Gobert did.

Gobert is one of my all-time favorite Jazzmen and I believe he is the 3rd best player in franchise history. At the same time, I also believe he makes a much bigger impact in the regular season than he does in the playoffs. He's also on the wrong side of 30 now, and big men in the NBA tend to age faster. Given the unbelievable asset haul we got for Gobert, and given his age and contract, I think we made the right move.
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I am not there and I hope you are right but it will be years before we know if it was a good move. A lot of the issue last year was chemistry and trading Donny and having some fresh faces and a new coach could take care of that. Plus Rudy really wanted to be here. Would have love to have seen Rudy with Markkanen and KO as folks to help on the front line. You could have even hung on to Royce and used him off the bench. Lots of options if you keep Rudy and trade Donny.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I’ve been thinking about that a lot. The return on Donovan fits better around Gobert than what we had AND got us assets down the road.
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And the chemistry issues from last year were a big issue. The better fit around Rudy with a better chemistry would have been fun to see.
 
gomretat said:
I am not there and I hope you are right but it will be years before we know if it was a good move. A lot of the issue last year was chemistry and trading Donny and having some fresh faces and a new coach could take care of that. Plus Rudy really wanted to be here. Would have love to have seen Rudy with Markkanen and KO as folks to help on the front line. You could have even hung on to Royce and used him off the bench. Lots of options if you keep Rudy and trade Donny.
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I mean, we had 6 years straight of a first or second round exit in the playoffs. Do you really think a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert would've been any different. I just don't see it...the west is just too good right now. I'm tired of being a good regular season team that can't win in the playoffs.
 
framer said:
Tony Jones said it was top 25 protected and moved into 2 seconds if it didn't convey. He usually doesn't get that specific if he doesn't know the exact details.
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And that’s why you wait em out and get it to lotto or top 10 in a week or two.
 
I'm ready to go full tank mode. There are many phoenix ideas. Here is an Atlanta trade I think could work for Atlanta - Beasley, Stanley Johnson for Bogdonovic and Jalen Johnson. Bogey is nursing his knee again after another surgery.... also has a player option next year. If he sits 40 games great. Jalen didn't get off the bench today. That's pretty rough. Maybe we add something but it helps give Atlanta some cap space and a healthy body. Not sure how high they are on Jalen but if Nate won't play him then he never develops. If he's awful then we play him a bunch and he helps the tank... even if he is good he's young... so we lose.

Something with Atlanta could work.
 
gomretat said:
And the chemistry issues from last year were a big issue. The better fit around Rudy with a better chemistry would have been fun to see.
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It wasn't just Donovan though, based on what has been reported it doesn't seem like Rudy was well liked by most of the locker room. In a hypothetical world where we made the same Donovan trade while keeping Gobert we would've just been in essentially the same spot we were in before, but worse.

We still would've had guys that are liabilities defensively at the 1-4. But more importantly we would've still been extremely limited with our roster construction due to a lack of cap space. And since the first Cavs pick we received doesn't convey until 2025 I don't really see anyway we could've drastically improved the roster.

That team would've been at best the 6th-8th seed but realistically been a late lottery team. And considering Rudy's age and contract even a slight decline or an injury would've tanked his value.
 
Considering so many teams need shooting I would think Beasley might have the most value of the tradeable 'vets' on this team. Beasley himself is only 25 and is a near 40% catch and shoot guy for his career. If DA does trade him they would have Agbaji waiting in the wings to take those minutes.
 
HeatCheck said:
Considering so many teams need shooting I would think Beasley might have the most value of the tradeable 'vets' on this team. Beasley himself is only 25 and is a near 40% catch and shoot guy for his career. If DA does trade him they would have Agbaji waiting in the wings to take those minutes.
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Plus there is the team option for next year and he's at a reasonable price if he is playing well.
 
HeatCheck said:
Considering so many teams need shooting I would think Beasley might have the most value of the tradeable 'vets' on this team. Beasley himself is only 25 and is a near 40% catch and shoot guy for his career. If DA does trade him they would have Agbaji waiting in the wings to take those minutes.
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I’d say Vando then Beasley but agree. Vando has a low salary which really matters… that’s a big reason why Royce landed you a first and Bogey was harder to work a deal for.
 
YoungJefe said:
How I'd rank our trade pieces:
1. Jordan Clarkson
2. Jarred Vanderbilt
3. Malik Beasley
4. Kelly Olynyk
5. NAW
6. Mike Conley
7. Rudy Gay
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I'm curious on JC. I think he likely should be top of that list but I'm just curious if the chucker label drives down his value.
 
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