Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[framer]

It may have been awkward... but I have a hard time thinking if we'd waited a few days that maybe phoenix ponies up a first. At very least make the pistons send a couple seconds if they want a deal before camp. They want progress more than we do... so I think it would have been an easy sell.

Their last offer was so bad that the right call was probably to hang up and block their number. That team is going to crash and burn this year and their management knows it. No way they are giving up a real first.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Pistons trade Bojan at the deadline to Phoenix for their pick.

And all the Jazz homer writers will be like "there is no way we could have got that deal... lolz... these guuis is pros!!!".

I actually think Detroit may keep him and extend him... and it may have been a slight help to Bogey if that's what he values over being on a title team.

 

[framer]

False... see Gay, Rudy


I kid. I would honestly trade JC for a couple seconds and an expiring contract. We don't have max cap space anymore unless we decline Beasley's option, JC declines his option and we waive Mike. Not that we will sign anyone but it'd be nice to shop in the market a bit.

I think they would actually trade him for an expiring contract. They just don't want to have to give up anything else.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Their last offer was so bad that the right call was probably to hang up and block their number. That team is going to crash and burn this year and their management knows it. No way they are giving up a real first.

Or they think they are fine and didn't need a change... so you wait until they struggle and they put up the assets then. There was a big ole article about how Suns don't value picks all that much. Wait em out.

 

[framer]

And all the Jazz homer writers will be like "there is no way we could have got that deal... lolz... these guuis is pros!!!".

I actually think Detroit may keep him and extend him... and it may have been a slight help to Bogey if that's what he values over being on a title team.

Not only that, but that is the reason the Jazz sent him to Detroit.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think they would actually trade him for an expiring contract. They just don't want to have to give up anything else.

JC or Gay? I'm not super worried on JC opting in. I think its like a 50/50 proposition. Gay they'd love to have gone.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree about needing to move one more guard, I'm guessing there's a good chance Beasley gets moved at the deadline.

My thing with JC is I'm not sure he's the type of player you want around all these young guys. I get that he's a great guy and a good locker room presence and all that, but his play style could cause some of the young guys to pick up some bad habits, mainly his unwillingness to pass and his complete lack of effort defensively.

I think Beasley fits so much better though. He's an offball catch and shoot guy. With JC and Sexton we got too many dribbles and not enough passes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Their last offer was so bad that the right call was probably to hang up and block their number. That team is going to crash and burn this year and their management knows it. No way they are giving up a real first.

I mean if it was Vando and Bogey for Dario and Crowder plus a first its not bad. Someone threw out top 25 protected first... I doubt it was that protected. Even if it was you could work them down to top 10 or lotto protected... I doubt they will be a lotto team this year unless they have a catastrophic injury.

Crowder would net you a couple seconds... Dario is a good locker room guy and an expiring that may end up with some value. I like Vando but we are all going to find out that he is more Bo Outlaw than Dennis Rodman.

 

[infection]

I like Vando but we are all going to find out that he is more Bo Outlaw than Dennis Rodman.

Draper man’s Michael Ruffin.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I mean if it was Vando and Bogey for Dario and Crowder plus a first its not bad. Someone threw out top 25 protected first... I doubt it was that protected. Even if it was you could work them down to top 10 or lotto protected... I doubt they will be a lotto team this year unless they have a catastrophic injury.

Crowder would net you a couple seconds... Dario is a good locker room guy and an expiring that may end up with some value. I like Vando but we are all going to find out that he is more Bo Outlaw than Dennis Rodman.

That offer isn’t nearly as bad as people are acting. We save almost the same amount of money and don’t have salary on the books next year plus we get a 1st.

 

[HeatCheck]

I think Beasley fits so much better though. He's an offball catch and shoot guy. With JC and Sexton we got too many dribbles and not enough passes.

FWIW Sexton is actually a better catch and shoot player than he is shooting off the bounce which you wouldn't expect from a guy like him. He made several 3 pointers in offball catch and shoot situations in the first preseason game.

 

[homeytennis]

Oh heck Juwan Morgan got waived today. The Jazz need to claim him.

 

[framer]

I mean if it was Vando and Bogey for Dario and Crowder plus a first its not bad. Someone threw out top 25 protected first... I doubt it was that protected. Even if it was you could work them down to top 10 or lotto protected... I doubt they will be a lotto team this year unless they have a catastrophic injury.

Crowder would net you a couple seconds... Dario is a good locker room guy and an expiring that may end up with some value. I like Vando but we are all going to find out that he is more Bo Outlaw than Dennis Rodman.

Tony Jones said it was top 25 protected and moved into 2 seconds if it didn't convey. He usually doesn't get that specific if he doesn't know the exact details.

 

[gomretat]

I've thought about this a lot too, but I'm not sure how good we would've been. Is a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert really better than Conley/Mitchell/Bogey/Royce/Gobert? Obviously Markkanen is a better player overall than Royce, at least offensively, but Sexton isn't nearly as good as Mitchell. Seems like that team is destined for a first-round exit just like last years team. I guess we possibly could've used the draft assets we got in the Mitchell deal to trade for another star to play with Gobert, but I'm not sure who that would've been, or if it would've worked out any better than Mithell and Gobert did.

Gobert is one of my all-time favorite Jazzmen and I believe he is the 3rd best player in franchise history. At the same time, I also believe he makes a much bigger impact in the regular season than he does in the playoffs. He's also on the wrong side of 30 now, and big men in the NBA tend to age faster. Given the unbelievable asset haul we got for Gobert, and given his age and contract, I think we made the right move.

I am not there and I hope you are right but it will be years before we know if it was a good move. A lot of the issue last year was chemistry and trading Donny and having some fresh faces and a new coach could take care of that. Plus Rudy really wanted to be here. Would have love to have seen Rudy with Markkanen and KO as folks to help on the front line. You could have even hung on to Royce and used him off the bench. Lots of options if you keep Rudy and trade Donny.

 

[gomretat]

I’ve been thinking about that a lot. The return on Donovan fits better around Gobert than what we had AND got us assets down the road.

And the chemistry issues from last year were a big issue. The better fit around Rudy with a better chemistry would have been fun to see.

 

[Jingled]

I am not there and I hope you are right but it will be years before we know if it was a good move. A lot of the issue last year was chemistry and trading Donny and having some fresh faces and a new coach could take care of that. Plus Rudy really wanted to be here. Would have love to have seen Rudy with Markkanen and KO as folks to help on the front line. You could have even hung on to Royce and used him off the bench. Lots of options if you keep Rudy and trade Donny.

I mean, we had 6 years straight of a first or second round exit in the playoffs. Do you really think a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert would've been any different. I just don't see it...the west is just too good right now. I'm tired of being a good regular season team that can't win in the playoffs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tony Jones said it was top 25 protected and moved into 2 seconds if it didn't convey. He usually doesn't get that specific if he doesn't know the exact details.

And that’s why you wait em out and get it to lotto or top 10 in a week or two.

 

[framer]

And that’s why you wait em out and get it to lotto or top 10 in a week or two.

They will be ringing us back once Paul gets his yearly long term injury.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm ready to go full tank mode. There are many phoenix ideas. Here is an Atlanta trade I think could work for Atlanta - Beasley, Stanley Johnson for Bogdonovic and Jalen Johnson. Bogey is nursing his knee again after another surgery.... also has a player option next year. If he sits 40 games great. Jalen didn't get off the bench today. That's pretty rough. Maybe we add something but it helps give Atlanta some cap space and a healthy body. Not sure how high they are on Jalen but if Nate won't play him then he never develops. If he's awful then we play him a bunch and he helps the tank... even if he is good he's young... so we lose.

Something with Atlanta could work.

 

[YoungJefe]

And the chemistry issues from last year were a big issue. The better fit around Rudy with a better chemistry would have been fun to see.

It wasn't just Donovan though, based on what has been reported it doesn't seem like Rudy was well liked by most of the locker room. In a hypothetical world where we made the same Donovan trade while keeping Gobert we would've just been in essentially the same spot we were in before, but worse.

We still would've had guys that are liabilities defensively at the 1-4. But more importantly we would've still been extremely limited with our roster construction due to a lack of cap space. And since the first Cavs pick we received doesn't convey until 2025 I don't really see anyway we could've drastically improved the roster.

That team would've been at best the 6th-8th seed but realistically been a late lottery team. And considering Rudy's age and contract even a slight decline or an injury would've tanked his value.