Say Goodbye to Victor Wem if we continue to play this good.

[Bodhi]

Orlando has sucked for years. As a consequence, they now have two #1 overall picks on the roster, plus several very young top 10 picks.

They just drafted a magnificent generational talent, an NBA ready dude who has the size and skills to turn a team into a contender. This is what we heard. So what happened?

Orlando is 1-7. They still suck.

I have no idea why some people keep looking past this stuff. Yeah, their guys are pretty much on the same "timeline" which always seems to be important in the world of message board GM's. BUT, the flipside is that at some point they will all need extensions, and you can't keep everyone if they become as good as you hope they will.

Who cares about Orlando? Nobody. Not even their own "fan base". The team has sold false hope for a long time. At some point people stop believing the lies and turn away.

There's a lesson to be learned here.

Great post. Getting off that treadmill of suck isn’t as easy as lots of high picks.

 

[sip]

Orlando has sucked for years. As a consequence, they now have two #1 overall picks on the roster, plus several very young top 10 picks.

They just drafted a magnificent generational talent, an NBA ready dude who has the size and skills to turn a team into a contender. This is what we heard. So what happened?

Orlando is 1-7. They still suck.

I have no idea why some people keep looking past this stuff. Yeah, their guys are pretty much on the same "timeline" which always seems to be important in the world of message board GM's. BUT, the flipside is that at some point they will all need extensions, and you can't keep everyone if they become as good as you hope they will.

Who cares about Orlando? Nobody. Not even their own "fan base". The team has sold false hope for a long time. At some point people stop believing the lies and turn away.

There's a lesson to be learned here.

You have to love when people don't give full context like we are stupid. First off they have 2 guys that were taken #1 but one is a rookie and the other guy was added as a dirt cheap reclamation project. The magic also spent about 3 years no man's land before they actually fully committed to a rebuild at the trade deadline in February 2021 so they aren't even 2 years into this rebuild and they already have a really nice young core going forward. As far as their record this season goes they have been killed by injuries in the backcourt with Fultz not playing yet and Suggs and Anthony being in and out of the lineup. Fultz and Isaac are both going to be back in the near future and that should give them a pretty big boost. When it comes to brightest futures in the nba I think the magic are clearly in that conversation with Banchero and Wagner leading the way.

 

[sip]

Great post. Getting off that treadmill of suck isn’t as easy as lots of high picks.

It was actually a really poor post. They were on the treadmill of suck when they had Gordon, Fournier and Vucevic. Now they are on the path to something really good since they committed to the full rebuild less than 2 years ago. It now looks like they have a future star in Banchero and ton of extremely talented young guys around him as well as a nice stock pile of future picks.

 

[fishonjazz]

It was actually a really poor post. They were on the treadmill of suck when they had Gordon, Fournier and Vucevic. Now they are on the path to something really good since they committed to the full rebuild less than 2 years ago. It now looks like they have a future star in Banchero and ton of extremely talented young guys around him as well as a nice stock pile of future picks.

Ya this is the concern of some jazz fanz right now. If the jazz are fools gold and instead of being a playoff team they are actually a 33 win team then that coukd lead to the treadmill of suck just like orlando and then in like 5 years we actually have to tank properly anyways. That would be much worse than tanking this season and getting a franchise player.


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[SoberasHotRod]

You have to love when people don't give full context like we are stupid. First off they have 2 guys that were taken #1 but one is a rookie and the other guy was added as a dirt cheap reclamation project. The magic also spent about 3 years no man's land before they actually fully committed to a rebuild at the trade deadline in February 2021 so they aren't even 2 years into this rebuild and they already have a really nice young core going forward. As far as their record this season goes they have been killed by injuries in the backcourt with Fultz not playing yet and Suggs and Anthony being in and out of the lineup. Fultz and Isaac are both going to be back in the near future and that should give them a pretty big boost. When it comes to brightest futures in the nba I think the magic are clearly in that conversation with Banchero and Wagner leading the way.

It will be interesting to see where Orlando is record wise vs us in 3 years.

 

[Bodhi]

It was actually a really poor post. They were on the treadmill of suck when they had Gordon, Fournier and Vucevic. Now they are on the path to something really good since they committed to the full rebuild less than 2 years ago. It now looks like they have a future star in Banchero and ton of extremely talented young guys around him as well as a nice stock pile of future picks.

I wasn’t asking

 

[Elizah Huge]

You have to love when people don't give full context like we are stupid. First off they have 2 guys that were taken #1 but one is a rookie and the other guy was added as a dirt cheap reclamation project. The magic also spent about 3 years no man's land before they actually fully committed to a rebuild at the trade deadline in February 2021 so they aren't even 2 years into this rebuild and they already have a really nice young core going forward. As far as their record this season goes they have been killed by injuries in the backcourt with Fultz not playing yet and Suggs and Anthony being in and out of the lineup. Fultz and Isaac are both going to be back in the near future and that should give them a pretty big boost. When it comes to brightest futures in the nba I think the magic are clearly in that conversation with Banchero and Wagner leading the way.

Umm.. there is definitely a lot of merit to what he is saying.

2013/2014/2015 they ended up with 3 top-5 picks which turned into Oladipo/Gordon/Hezonja.

2017/2018 they ended up with the #6 pick both years which turned into Bamba/Isaac.

Two years in a row they made the playoffs in 2019/2020.

They then traded their best player which ended up being the best move they’ve made in over a decade.

2021 they end up with the #5 and #8 pick.

2022 they end up with the #1 pick.

For 5/6 years they ended up with top-6 picks.

They still weren’t good enough to get any higher than 7th in the conference.

Good drafting is almost more important than getting high picks unless there is a home-run prospect available.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I mean yeah they do have one of the brightest futures in the league now but it took an entire decade of **** drafting to get there. Context matters. We don’t want to have to go through a decade of suffering to get to where Orlando is now.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Ya this is the concern of some jazz fanz right now. If the jazz are fools gold and instead of being a playoff team they are actually a 33 win team then that coukd lead to the treadmill of suck just like orlando and then in like 5 years we actually have to tank properly anyways. That would be much worse than tanking this season and getting a franchise player.

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We could have the worst record in the league and end up picking 3rd and then what?

To get to that point that means dealing off basically all of our starters including Lauri.

The difference between us and treadmill teams of the past is we have 15 future 1sts that we can use to get essentially the next big star that becomes available every year if we wanted to.

 

[sip]

Umm.. there is definitely a lot of merit to what he is saying.

2013/2014/2015 they ended up with 3 top-5 picks which turned into Oladipo/Gordon/Hezonja.

2017/2018 they ended up with the #6 pick both years which turned into Bamba/Isaac.

Two years in a row they made the playoffs in 2019/2020.

They then traded their best player which ended up being the best move they’ve made in over a decade.

2021 they end up with the #5 and #8 pick.

2022 they end up with the #1 pick.

For 5/6 years they ended up with top-6 picks.

They still weren’t good enough to get any higher than 7th in the conference.

Good drafting is almost more important than getting high picks unless there is a home-run prospect available.

As usual context is lost. They drafted Oladipo and Gordon who were solid picks and Hezonja was a swing and a miss. What you leave out though is after the 2016 season they tried to jump into win now mode for some idiotic reason and traded Oladipo and the pick that was Domatas Sabonis to the thunder for Serge Ibaka who had been regressing the prior couple seasons on both ends of the court. Those type of shortsighted decisions are what turns a 3yr rebuild into a 6yr build. Obviously there are plenty of rebuild failures but most of the time it is because the front office isn't very good. With us I don't believe that is the case but only time will tell. Ainge has hit big on quite a few picks but he has a hell of a lot of stinkers mixed in in that 11-30 range. That is my biggest concern with Ainge. I have a lot of confidence in him when picking in the top 10 but he has loads of bad picks and trades where he moves a late 1st for another pick when there are high quality prospects still on the board.

 

[GunterD]

I mean, there are two paths forward for the team right now.
Either
A) We continue to win, and exceeding the homery-est fans' wildest dreams , we are in serious playoff contention when the trade deadline comes around. At which point Ainge cashes in a bunch of those draft picks for a couple disgruntled stars on underperforming teams and we make a go of it.
B) The bubble pops, and we end up anywhere from awful to playoff bubble range when the trade deadline comes around. At which point, Ainge trades people like Clarkson, Markannen, Conley for more draft assets than he possibly could have gotten for them in the off season, because they've all increased their value by winning unexpectedly, and playoff teams are ready to roll the dice and take a swing at it. We then lose our way into the mid lottery range, still get a Victor ball or two, and get 3 swings in a hugely loaded draft.

Enjoy the ride, whether its real or not, its fun. Whatever happens, we've got way too many assets right now to get stuck in "OK" limbo.

 

[Elizah Huge]

As usual context is lost. They drafted Oladipo and Gordon who were solid picks and Hezonja was a swing and a miss. What you leave out though is after the 2016 season they tried to jump into win now mode for some idiotic reason and traded Oladipo and the pick that was Domatas Sabonis to the thunder for Serge Ibaka who had been regressing the prior couple seasons on both ends of the court. Those type of shortsighted decisions are what turns a 3yr rebuild into a 6yr build. Obviously there are plenty of rebuild failures but most of the time it is because the front office isn't very good. With us I don't believe that is the case but only time will tell. Ainge has hit big on quite a few picks but he has a hell of a lot of stinkers mixed in in that 11-30 range. That is my biggest concern with Ainge. I have a lot of confidence in him when picking in the top 10 but he has loads of bad picks and trades where he moves a late 1st for another pick when there are high quality prospects still on the board.

Buddy… they weren’t going to win anything with Oladipo/Gordon/Sabonis anyways. Yes, it was a bad move in retrospect but the problem is none of the guys they drafted in the top-6 for 5 years are big difference makers. Oladipo is the only player out of those 5 that made an all-star game. The other guys are nothing but busts or role players.

Where were they headed regardless of that Ibaka deal? They were going nowhere.