Mike Conley Resurgence

[David Stern]

Some of the criticism is fair, lack of flexibility with his lineups and rotations, and lack of adjustments among other things, but acting like Quin was a bad coach or like he didn't get the best out of his players is just silly and not true.

I think he’s a good coach, but I don’t think he got the most out of our overall roster construction the last two years. He got the best out of Rudy, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that he didn’t get the best out of several other guys on our team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Seems like Mike's back to playing how he did in Memphis. Quin didn't know how to use him with Donovan, and it hampered his abilities. Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Also, having 6'6 Clarkson at the 2 instead of two undersized guards in the backcourt is paying off.

Hampered his abilities by making him a first time all star.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think he’s a good coach, but I don’t think he got the most out of our overall roster construction the last two years. He got the best out of Rudy, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that he didn’t get the best out of several other guys on our team.

The roster building sucked. He made a system that maximized what we had. His defensive message was flawed. DL gave him garbage to develop outside of Royce, Ingles, and Niang

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Hardy has been fantastic no doubt, but I think Quin is getting some unfair blame. Yes, Mike struggled his first year in Quins system, but the next 3 years he played terrific in the system, he even made his only all-star game two years ago under Quin. Quin coached the Jazz to the best record in the league two years ago, the #1 offense in the league last year and #2 the year before, we also had the #1defense and #2 defense in the league under Quin during the 17-18 and 18-19 seasons.

Some of the criticism is fair, lack of flexibility with his lineups and rotations, and lack of adjustments among other things, but acting like Quin was a bad coach or like he didn't get the best out of his players is just silly and not true.

I disagree. Look at the playoff shot charts and how we lacked any mid-range game. One game against the Clips as I recall they took 0 shots in the midrange, and we were destroyed, while the Clips took advantage of all the open midrange we gave them. They knew we would not take mid range so overplayed the 3 and packed the paint. No adjustments for the same thing, year after year. Quin's offense let the other team's defenders largely rest as they only had to guard a zone as Quin had basically no cuts or off ball screens. He never adjusted D and Rudy was exploited. He let Don hero ball and not play D. No accountability.

We had an excellent roster and he couldn't get them to perform when it mattered.

The fact is, Quin got a free pass when the team was basically traded away, as we have no idea what Hardy would have done with that group.

I will say I thought Quin sucked at MO, and never wanted him, but tried to give him a chance.

Hardy, at 34, is doing amazing so far with a rag tag group, running strategies on both ends that are so enjoyable to watch.

I am wondering if Quin was basically fired, with some sort of agreement to let him step down.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

Huge shoutout to Mike for his play this season.

- One of only 4 players in the NBA to average at least 6 assists per game and no more than 1.5 turnovers per game

- Conley/Clarkson are 4th in the league in APG for starting backcourts

- Conley is averaging a career high 7.5 APG

- His Assist/Turnover Ratio is an elite 5.2

- Shooting a career high 42.6% from 3 on 5.5 attempts per game

- He is +70 through 12 games

Too many people were down on him after a bad playoff series. I have always believed in Mike. Sexton has credited him multiple times for being a great mentor too.

We are 2 then. I follow Mike since he got draft ( the reason why i also follow the Grizz) and i was telling the entire last year that Mike poor performance were not due to his age but to the ''spirit'' of the team. Mike is a real professional in terms of preparation. life habit and a perfect commander in a team with no drama queen. Unfortunatly Jazz got 2 of them last years ( I put Rudy in as he deserve as much blame for me than Don for not beeing able to make it works) and it make all things wrong. So glad DA see it as well and clean the floor.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

I think pairing Jordan with Mike is also a much better fit than Don. but im still surprised to see that when Colin, Mike and JC are together on the floor it works pretty well. Definitly a big surprise for me.

 

[Jingled]

I disagree. Look at the playoff shot charts and how we lacked any mid-range game. One game against the Clips as I recall they took 0 shots in the midrange, and we were destroyed, while the Clips took advantage of all the open midrange we gave them. They knew we would not take mid range so overplayed the 3 and packed the paint. No adjustments for the same thing, year after year. Quin's offense let the other team's defenders largely rest as they only had to guard a zone as Quin had basically no cuts or off ball screens. He never adjusted D and Rudy was exploited. He let Don hero ball and not play D. No accountability.

We had an excellent roster and he couldn't get them to perform when it mattered.

The fact is, Quin got a free pass when the team was basically traded away, as we have no idea what Hardy would have done with that group.

I will say I thought Quin sucked at MO, and never wanted him, but tried to give him a chance.

Hardy, at 34, is doing amazing so far with a rag tag group, running strategies on both ends that are so enjoyable to watch.

I am wondering if Quin was basically fired, with some sort of agreement to let him step down.

Definitely wasn't fired, lol. It was widely reported by some of the leagues best reporters that Quin was offered an extension that would've made him one of the highest paid coaches in the league. At the press conference after Quin stepped down, Ainge said that he and everyone else desperately wanted him to stay.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Definitely wasn't fired, lol. It was widely reported by some of the leagues best reporters that Quin was offered an extension that would've made him one of the highest paid coaches in the league. At the press conference after Quin stepped down, Ainge said that he and everyone else desperately wanted him to stay.

We dodged a huge bullet with that.

 

[slc]

So if Quin stays does Ainge still make all these moves?
Would like to ask Danny

 

[Jingled]

I think he’s a good coach, but I don’t think he got the most out of our overall roster construction the last two years. He got the best out of Rudy, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that he didn’t get the best out of several other guys on our team.

Two years ago the Jazz had the best record in the league, three all-stars, the defensive player of the year, the 6th man of the year and the runner up 6th man of the year. I'm very curious which players you think he could've gotten more out of. Hell, even Niang had a great year, and he was our 9th man in the rotation.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Definitely wasn't fired, lol. It was widely reported by some of the leagues best reporters that Quin was offered an extension that would've made him one of the highest paid coaches in the league. At the press conference after Quin stepped down, Ainge said that he and everyone else desperately wanted him to stay.

I know what was said, but the gratuitous press conference, etc., made it feel odd.

Edit: tell me one other time a coach has stepped down and still been paid on his contract? It does not happen. Plenty of situations of coaches still being paid when the team asks them to step down or fires them. You really think they would continue paying him for this year (and next with his option) if he stepped away?

It was also widely reported that the Miller family would never sell the Jazz, and their perpetual trust would ensure that (when it actually made it more likely the team would be sold). Did you believe that too?

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I wouldn't even consider trading him until the ASB. There's just so much he can teach the new guy's. Especially Sexton. If we see a drop off and decide to go into primarily development mode then kick the tires on a trade for someone younger or a future pic. If we're going to make a run in the playoffs keep him, he's a necessary piece to have any chance.

Yeah that’s what I say (regarding the playoffs). Our starting unit is elite in no small part because of the elite playmaking and shooting of our holdover guard line. As @The Fresh Prince was saying above, Conley seems emancipated this season and is having his best season in a Jazz uniform. Or maybe it’s the new black and gold! Whatever it is, better ride it out and see where the smiling assassin can take us. Special player for sure and no reason he Clarkson and Markkanen shouldn’t be in the All Star Game this year representing.