Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Elizah Huge]

Also, I’m all about getting good basketball players and worrying about fit later. Worrying about fit leads you to decisions like taking Wiseman over LaMelo and Haliburton.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, I’m all about getting good basketball players and worrying about fit later. Worrying about fit leads you to decisions like taking Wiseman over LaMelo and Haliburton.

Can also lead to getting Rudy when you already have KAT… I think with bigs you have to be a little careful.

John is interesting because the knock was defense and shooting early… he seems to be a helpful player on defense and until this year he’s been shooting well… if you can get the shooting back and bring back some of the rim rolling goodness that helped him put up big numbers early in his career you may have something. The fit with Lauri could be awesome in small lineups and maybe we find a big guard or 3 and D wing to supplement the deficiencies that lineup might have.

I just think if we do it then it needs to be a great deal… the type of thing you look back on in a month or two and are like “can you believe Danny got Collins for that????”.

We are coming off a good Vando game (against a terrible defense) so none of us see his issues on offense at the moment.

 

[infection]

I’m a no on Collins. I think he’s empty calories and an opportunity cost. Unless you’re planning to use him in a trade later, but then the argument comes up of how much higher you’re going to get his value.

Anyway, I’d go buy low on both Lonzo and Jonathan Isaac. Taking a risk on those injury guys but I think it’d be a good way to cash in our current vets if there’s a possibility, with some minor draft assets. High risk but incredible reward. Plus it really heats up the tank where we can lose a lot now by trading for real people.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Can also lead to getting Rudy when you already have KAT… I think with bigs you have to be a little careful.

If Minnesota paid 4 quarters for the dollar instead of 10 they wouldn’t be in the mess they’re in.

If they only traded the players and maybe a first and a swap nobody is looking at them the same way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Minnesota paid 4 quarters for the dollar instead of 10 they wouldn’t be in the mess they’re in.

If they only traded the players and maybe a first and a swap nobody is looking at them the same way.

For sure... but it still isn't ideal. I think fit needs to be considered a bit more if its small guards or bigs.

Again for JC to be effective I think he needs to be in the DHO and PnR actions and that won't happen as much with Kessler on the floor. I think Walker may end up being a 25-30 minute a night guy but maybe not a 36 minutes every night type, so having the variety that Lauri and JC can provide might be awesome.

Based on the price I would pay... I think we get outbid... but the market for John may be lower than I think.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My thing with John Collins has been do I think I can get what I'd want from him out of a cheaper player? I might look harder at getting Derrick Jones Jr. out of Chicago and adding him to the mix rather than JC.

 

[HermanG]

John Collins has to leave on a discount. His production this year + that contract is a huge risk for any suitors. I'm not saying Atlanta needs to pay for others to take him... but if they seriously want him gone to stay under luxury tax for next year they must take a discount deal.

They already did it with Huerter for this year. They are driving the team to the ground because the owner is cheap af... and now speculations are that Trae might look to request a trade (albeit I think that rumor came from his father who is trying to smoke out Nate McMillan).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

John Collins has to leave on a discount. His production this year + that contract is a huge risk for any suitors. I'm not saying Atlanta needs to pay for others to take him... but if they seriously want him gone to stay under luxury tax for next year they must take a discount deal.

They already did it with Huerter for this year. They are driving the team to the ground because the owner is cheap af... and now speculations are that Trae might look to request a trade (albeit I think that rumor came from his father who is trying to smoke out Nate McMillan).

They need a new coach in there asap.

 

[Eddie Zero]

speculations are that Trae might look to request a trade (albeit I think that rumor came from his father who is trying to smoke out Nate McMillan).

I don't think Trae or his Father are ignoring the fact that the org brought in a legit 2 way point guard either though. The Collins things seems sort of bs. They could have gone after a better shooting defender than Dejounte to play off of Young, but instead kind of went and got a guy ,who plays the same position. I guess its a good problem to have, but I doubt either one of them is down with being second fiddle. I see Trae or Murray as more likely moved next summer if they miss the playoffs regardless of what happened with Collins who is already declining.

 

[Eddie Zero]

My thing with John Collins has been do I think I can get what I'd want from him out of a cheaper player? I might look harder at getting Derrick Jones Jr. out of Chicago and adding him to the mix rather than JC.

Collins is not a good rim protector and can't play the 3 so yeah no interest in him despite rumors imo. Not unless the Finnisher is going to war soon and they need at least a close replacement level pf. I don't think the tank would hesitiate to fire up though if Marky is out for any amount of time. I would rahter use Vander on the cheap in that case than trade for Collins.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Naz Reid is a guy to inquire about with Minny once KAT is back... In FA we might be able to swipe him for the MLE. Might provide the stretch 5 with some rim protection we want. Last few games have been awesome. Kind of a perfect 3rd big that gives some of what we love from KO without the sacrifices on defense.

 

[HermanG]

They need a new coach in there asap.

I agree. Their closing offense is Trae and DJM taking turns on iso, and their offense lacks creativity generally as well. I mean they got DJM and Trae, and all McMillan can come up with to close games is to let those two play iso?