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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
There’s no way in hell I’m trading Vando to the suns let alone him and Beasley. Two of my favorite players on the jazz.
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Vando is a fantastic tank piece to the puzzle. He’s a tanker this year but is only going to get way better. I’m convinced his 3 ball is only going to get better and I envision him becoming a very good play maker on this team, and defense and rebounding will only get better, like a Ingles highbred. Not as good a shooter but basically everything else Uber heightened.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Vando is a fantastic tank piece to the puzzle. He’s a tanker this year but is only going to get way better. I’m convinced his 3 ball is only going to get better and I envision him becoming a very good play maker on this team, and defense and rebounding will only get better, like a Ingles highbred. Not as good a shooter but basically everything else Uber heightened.
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Dude what are you talking about? Vando will never be the type of creator that Ingles was.
 
sip said:
Basketball doesn't work like that where the 4 only plays at the baseline or in a certain position on the floor. They use Lauri all over the floor but more importantly he is the primary big man cutter. The reason why Collins has regressed over the last few years is that is his best role as well but he was displaced with the addition of Capela.
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I'm not saying only.. modern ball is much more fluid. But that area near the baseline on the weak side is where a pf positions in classic half court zone system. If you are using classic designations, that is what it means.

Lauri does cut but rarely from corner and almost never from weak side corner. Did some baseline cuts early season but cant remember the last time he did that.

Only thing both Collins and Lauri both do fairly frequently is pick and roll as the roll man. In all other playtypes their ratios are very different.

Lauri is even listed as a SF in our official starting lineups for... every game.
 
oldtimer said:
I really don't understand vando hate. In the games I have watched I've seen an absolute keeper. The guy just hustles and rebounds. I have seen games where his shot is off but he's young. Give the kid a shot
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Young player who is figuring out his game. Shows some really good moments and the odd really bad moment. Definitely worth developing.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
I dont have a problem trading anyone I just dont want the jazz to make a trade to make a trade. I want a clear focus.

Are we tanking?
Are we developing young talent?
Are we trying to be competitive?

I dont want to get stuck in mediocrity
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I completely agree, but also want to point out our massive pile of assets means its very hard to get stuck in the middle unless the GM stops doing his job completely.

Even if we end up mediocre this year, we have raised the value of several guys in our roster and can end up trading them in the future to move up in the draft or to get more assets. It does add a few years to the process but it puts us in an even better position.

I mean how many of our players were worth a FRP coming into this year? Right now Lauri alone is worth at least one very high pick or multiple mid firsts. Imo Vando, Kessler, Beasley have all raised their value and are all worth FRP (Kessler a lottery pick, other 2 late FRP I would say). I think Sexton is on that track as well... albeit he is getting tough love right now and will have to show up more in bigger minutes.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
I dont have a problem trading anyone I just dont want the jazz to make a trade to make a trade. I want a clear focus.

Are we tanking?
Are we developing young talent?
Are we trying to be competitive?

I dont want to get stuck in mediocrity
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Bruh it's currently impossible for the Jazz to be stuck in mediocrity
 
HermanG said:
I completely agree, but also want to point out our massive pile of assets means its very hard to get stuck in the middle unless the GM stops doing his job completely.

Even if we end up mediocre this year, we have raised the value of several guys in our roster and can end up trading them in the future to move up in the draft or to get more assets. It does add a few years to the process but it puts us in an even better position.

I mean how many of our players were worth a FRP coming into this year? Right now Lauri alone is worth at least one very high pick or multiple mid firsts. Imo Vando, Kessler, Beasley have all raised their value and are all worth FRP (Kessler a lottery pick, other 2 late FRP I would say). I think Sexton is on that track as well... albeit he is getting tough love right now and will have to show up more in bigger minutes.
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This is forgotten so often here.

Those “stuck in mediocrity” examples are always teams with no draft capital (sometimes not even their own) and are capped out for years to come with a mediocre roster.

We are neither.
 
HermanG said:
Imo Vando, Kessler, Beasley have all raised their value and are all worth FRP (Kessler a lottery pick, other 2 late FRP I would say)
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With all due respect... not a chance in hell.

As much as I like Kessler, at this point there's no way anyone would part with a lottery pick for a non-shooting, soft center with pretty meh athleticism who's hitting .547 from the FT line and can't switch anywhere close to the perimeter. He's played well overall for a rookie big, but to bring back a lottery pick, he'd have to have a much higher ceiling. Kessler may become a guy with that kind of value in the eyes of NBA GM's, but he's not that player yet. Rim protection is valuable in this league, but Kessler still has some huge weaknesses that really limit how much he can be a part of a modern NBA offense.

As for Vanderbilt, his stock is dropping, not rising. Frankly, his RAPTOR numbers are straight up shocking. In fact, it could be argued that he should be out of the rotation altogether if we're trying to win. At the very least he should be sent to the bench because his fit in our starting lineup is terrible. Now, I guess it is possible that there's a few teams in the league with plenty of firepower that could be willing to try to replicate Vando's Minny role and trade for him. But for a FRP? He's not a difference maker.

Beasley will always have a job in the NBA because he's a shooter who can get red hot. Unfortunately he's has been awful lately, which hasn't helped his stock, but Beasley is still the only one of these three guys who could probably bring back a reasonable FRP right now if a team desperate for scoring came along.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
With all due respect... not a chance in hell.

As much as I like Kessler, at this point there's no way anyone would part with a lottery pick for a non-shooting, soft center with pretty meh athleticism who's hitting .547 from the FT line and can't switch anywhere close to the perimeter. He's played well overall for a rookie big, but to bring back a lottery pick, he'd have to have a much higher ceiling. Kessler may become a guy with that kind of value in the eyes of NBA GM's, but he's not that player yet. Rim protection is valuable in this league, but Kessler still has some huge weaknesses that really limit how much he can be a part of a modern NBA offense.

As for Vanderbilt, his stock is dropping, not rising. Frankly, his RAPTOR numbers are straight up shocking. In fact, it could be argued that he should be out of the rotation altogether if we're trying to win. At the very least he should be sent to the bench because his fit in our starting lineup is terrible. Now, I guess it is possible that there's a few teams in the league with plenty of firepower that could be willing to try to replicate Vando's Minny role and trade for him. But for a FRP? He's not a difference maker.

Beasley will always have a job in the NBA because he's a shooter who can get red hot. Unfortunately he's has been awful lately, which hasn't helped his stock, but Beasley is still the only one of these three guys who could probably bring back a reasonable FRP right now if a team desperate for scoring came along.
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With young players you're going to have good games and bad games. Yes the raptor game was bad, ok. What you don't do is pull the kid from the lineup. He had a great game a couple games prior to the Raptor game. You got to rife the Mellow wave with young players. Not too hi or too low.
 
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