2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[KqWIN]

I think I get it... I just don't agree with some of it. Wings that pass and create seem really rare... whereas guys that Black would be great next to seem abundant. Even if he isn't an "every down" creator I think he is very much a point guard.

I just think he could do his brand of point guard next to Trae, Kyrie, Donovan, Dame, Garland, Luka etc. A lot of those point guards would thrive next to a pass first point guard and his defense would cover up some holes. He'd also work well with Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal types... So I get that he isn't likely to be a volume scorer but I'd rather have that than what George would project to bring.

I look at it as he could be your point guard in a pass first organizer type of way... he could also thrive next to a pg, sg, wing that is a primary scorer and take some creation off their plate. I do think his passing is better than his assist numbers show... I've watched 5-6 games and am truly amazed at how little space there is or the 1-2 games he sets guys up with layups and the pass is bobbled.

I think there's just an oustanding question of, do you even want Anthony Black to create? He might not be good enough just like his shooting might not be good enough. That's the bigger question than what position you're calling him. For example, it really means absolutely nothing if you call Dyson Daniels the PG and CJ the SG if they play together. It matters what they do, and I think Black is closer to a PG who dribbles the ball up and stands in a corner than a PG who initiates and creates offense. A PG who does little creation is awfully similar to a Wing that does a little creation....and Black is in that category for me. When I bring up the question "is he even a PG?", I'm talking about the extent to which he can create offense. I don't think anyone really thinks that the question "Is he a PG" means "can he play next to Trae Young".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is likely a 'knowledge and intent' standard that would be applied to see if Miller was an accessory to the crime committed, in this case a homicide. However, the situation is ugly enough that teams may keep their distance regardless of whether Miller is charged. The bottom line is that Miller apparently carried a murder weapon to a crime scene. Regardless of how much he knew about what was going to happen (or what might happen), that just shows poor judgement, and it shows he's running with a bad crowd.

The crowd is his teammate. The guy who shot at the car and hit the woman is the teammate's friend (this is me putting two and two together seeing as they are both from the Maryland area, could be wrong).

The gun was owned by the teammate, not Miller, Miller brought the gun to the teammate upon request, then the teammate gave the gun to the person who did the shooting.

The situation is being reported as these two guys (not Brandon Miller) trying to talk to this woman, her rejecting them, then some kind of confrontation between the two guys and the woman's boyfriend (who had a gun), Miller/Bradley bring the gun and park at the exits (which this is somehow blocking them in, but they get out after the shots are fired, so it wasnt impossible for them to drive away despite the wording making it seem that way. Then shots happened and the woman is dead. That's what really makes this a story because a young woman died who should not have been in the middle of what was probably the result of toxic drunk masculinity.


Sounds like stupid drunk people with guns doing stupid drunk things and Brandon Miller got sucked into trying to help a teammate not die. I'm not a lawyer so I dont know if Miller did anything against the law. Is bringing a gun to the gun's owner illegal? Can you be an accessory to murder/manslaughter/whatever it is if you gave the gun to someone who then gave the gun to someone else? Certainly hope Miller learns from this, but your teammate/friend tells you they are in trouble and they need their gun it's going to be a hard thing for someone to say no to, especially if they feel some sort of loyalty towards the person (a teammate).

 

[Eddie Zero]

I think there's just an oustanding question of, do you even want Anthony Black to create? He might not be good enough just like his shooting might not be good enough. That's the bigger question than what position you're calling him. For example, it really means absolutely nothing if you call Dyson Daniels the PG and CJ the SG if they play together. It matters what they do, and I think Black is closer to a PG who dribbles the ball up and stands in a corner than a PG who initiates and creates offense. A PG who does little creation is awfully similar to a Wing that does a little creation....and Black is in that category for me. When I bring up the question "is he even a PG?", I'm talking about the extent to which he can create offense. I don't think anyone really thinks that the question "Is he a PG" means "can he play next to Trae Young".

The only reason anyone should be looking at Black at all, is his versatile potential as a plus defender in the back court.I mean with size to defend some 3's. His playmaking based on bbiq is a positive, but his ball handling is so bad for a lead ball handler, there is no way any NBA coach would use him as the floor general full time. Well not unless they were directed to do so by a GM hell-bent on tanking. His shooting is not elite enough to make up for his deficiencies on ball and imo he is a meh shooting off ball wing with switchable defensive skill but should go back to ARK for a 2nd season and improve his shooting.
I think he is overrated as is, but I guess if he can play good defense from the jump, and they beleive in him as a positive role player,or eventual fringe starter type to develop over time.
Then sure he might get the nod over some higher upside types like Hendricks with our second pick. I do not see us even remotely considering him with the first of 3, unless we make the playoffs and the Wolves did as well. At that point he might be the bpa

 

[idiot]

We have innocent bystanders cuz guns exist. I don't want guns to exist, but the laws allow them.

I'm guessing there is more to the story than we know and I'm sure alcohol was heavily involved.

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I'm having a hard time understanding why the presence or absence of alcohol should make a difference in how we look at this.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm having a hard time understanding why the presence or absence of alcohol should make a difference in how we look at this.

It's just part of the puzzle of what actually happened my guy.

 

[Zombie]

I'm having a hard time understanding why the presence or absence of alcohol should make a difference in how we look at this.

If anything it makes the decision to bring his friend the gun even more concerning imo. People should have more sense than to bring their drunk friends a firearm. The idea that Miller was just trying to be a good friend or teammate here is baffling to me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think there's just an oustanding question of, do you even want Anthony Black to create? He might not be good enough just like his shooting might not be good enough. That's the bigger question than what position you're calling him. For example, it really means absolutely nothing if you call Dyson Daniels the PG and CJ the SG if they play together. It matters what they do, and I think Black is closer to a PG who dribbles the ball up and stands in a corner than a PG who initiates and creates offense. A PG who does little creation is awfully similar to a Wing that does a little creation....and Black is in that category for me. When I bring up the question "is he even a PG?", I'm talking about the extent to which he can create offense. I don't think anyone really thinks that the question "Is he a PG" means "can he play next to Trae Young".

I was more naming names to say I'm not worried about finding him a partner on the perimeter to do more direct creation.

The label doesn't matter to me much but I think you are drawing some lines that I wouldn't necessarily agree with. Like he might just initiate the offense and sit in the corner on some possessions I guess. But right now he runs all the initial actions for Arkansas and I think you can have a guy that blends and runs actions while not being the primary creator. He could be a super connector like Joe Ingles. Joe doesn't fit a strict 3 and D type he also isn't fully a pg. Joe obviously a much better shooter but I think Black will be great running pick and roll and being in the middle of ball movement.

I'm hoping with better players around him and actual spacing the scoring and assists increase. He draws a fair amount of fouls and has opportunities to look for his shot but seems more interested in driving to pass. I don't think he really has issues creating I think he is a bit too unselfish. A lot of it is eye test in actually watching him... and I haven't watched a lot of the other guys in full games. I think I'm probably a bit too dug in on him so I'm biased... but he's a guy I'm riding with in this draft.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If anything it makes the decision to bring his friend the gun even more concerning imo. People should have more sense than to bring their drunk friends a firearm. The idea that Miller was just trying to be a good friend or teammate here is baffling to me.

They act like his buddy was cold and was like "bruh can you bring me my hoody?"

Hey we are out drinking can you bring me my gun... like I'm not going to ask a follow up or say... hey can I get it to you tomorrow?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

but they get out after the shots are fired, so it wasnt impossible for them to drive away

Wait... park so they can't go through the main exit... but they could still get out some other way... so its no biggie... we will flash our guns to scare these punks after ****ing cornering them... whats the worst that can happen... no thought that maybe they might feel threatened and act appropriately? Its silly drunk pranks... nbd!!!

Or his buddies are moron trouble makers (harassing a woman and her BF) then calling a buddy to bring them a gun and he parks to block their primary exit... buddy comes with said gun and parks the car. If Miller thinks they are in danger thats some weird *** behavior... wouldn't he park normal and tell them the gun is in the car and bounce?

Maybe its a series of really just the dumbest decision making possible (I mean is miller also drunk and driving?). Or maybe he's not quite as innocent as you think.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They act like his buddy was cold and was like "bruh can you bring me my hoody?"

Hey we are out drinking can you bring me my gun... like I'm not going to ask a follow up or say... hey can I get it to you tomorrow?

From the story Miller was the DD that night and the gun was just in the backseat.

Also, from the report it said the victim's car at one point left the area, came back and parked and turned their lights off. IN another report the victim's car says they did that because they were waiting for their food. . I can understand the potential paranoia that this all can cause. Not excusing it, as it seems like it was mostly self-inflicted, but I can see the situation in my mind and how it would be difficult to navigate.

 

[sip]

The crowd is his teammate. The guy who shot at the car and hit the woman is the teammate's friend (this is me putting two and two together seeing as they are both from the Maryland area, could be wrong).

The gun was owned by the teammate, not Miller, Miller brought the gun to the teammate upon request, then the teammate gave the gun to the person who did the shooting.

The situation is being reported as these two guys (not Brandon Miller) trying to talk to this woman, her rejecting them, then some kind of confrontation between the two guys and the woman's boyfriend (who had a gun), Miller/Bradley bring the gun and park at the exits (which this is somehow blocking them in, but they get out after the shots are fired, so it wasnt impossible for them to drive away despite the wording making it seem that way. Then shots happened and the woman is dead. That's what really makes this a story because a young woman died who should not have been in the middle of what was probably the result of toxic drunk masculinity.


Sounds like stupid drunk people with guns doing stupid drunk things and Brandon Miller got sucked into trying to help a teammate not die. I'm not a lawyer so I dont know if Miller did anything against the law. Is bringing a gun to the gun's owner illegal? Can you be an accessory to murder/manslaughter/whatever it is if you gave the gun to someone who then gave the gun to someone else? Certainly hope Miller learns from this, but your teammate/friend tells you they are in trouble and they need their gun it's going to be a hard thing for someone to say no to, especially if they feel some sort of loyalty towards the person (a teammate).

What in the hell is wrong with you? If a friend or family member asks you to bring them a gun because they are in trouble then you tell them to call the cops. Bringing a guy a gun is great way to deescalate the situation you idiot. I swear sometimes you go out of your way to say stupid stuff just to get attention.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What in the hell is wrong with you? If a friend or family member asks you to bring them a gun because they are in trouble then you tell them to call the cops. Bringing a guy a gun is great way to deescalate the situation you idiot. I swear sometimes you go out of your way to say stupid stuff just to get attention.

If I'm white I probably call the cops. If I'm young black african american with alcohol and guns involved, I wouldnt even dream of calling Alabama police.