Release the Kraken
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Crap, haven’t seen enough games I guess!
So you’re saying the guy actually has wings then?
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So you’re saying the guy actually has wings then?
Eddie Zero
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he will definitely be in the so called "hall of the fallen" when he gets a leg injured playing against grown men. His skill is undeniable. His ability to play in the paint is highly overrated without more proof of durability. He right now remains a beast prospect, but I have my reservations he can do it all in the pros. I think he is more likely the next Brandon Ingram than the next goat
Coach Ellis
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Eddie Zero
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Meanwhile Wemby has stated he does not want to play Center in the NBA. Kudos to him for seeing his best path is not at the 5.
It also means if the Wolves screw up and we pick 1 thanks to them, we can draft the guy and sandwhich him right between the Finnisher and Walker
It also means if the Wolves screw up and we pick 1 thanks to them, we can draft the guy and sandwhich him right between the Finnisher and Walker
HermanG
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I would rather see us pick high and our schedule has a rough stretch coming up but if I'm real we are likely a 39-40 win team with Dunn also becoming a late surprise contributor.
I also think it comes down to us vs Minny for the final play-in spot (Lakers come up, OKC and Blazers finish below us, GS makes a late run and Pels have the 2nd easiest remaining schedule)... so obviously rather us than them.
PS: At this point Draftkings agrees. They have Lakers, GSW and Pels with clearly better odds to make the playoffs than us or Minny.
I also think it comes down to us vs Minny for the final play-in spot (Lakers come up, OKC and Blazers finish below us, GS makes a late run and Pels have the 2nd easiest remaining schedule)... so obviously rather us than them.
PS: At this point Draftkings agrees. They have Lakers, GSW and Pels with clearly better odds to make the playoffs than us or Minny.
HermanG
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I also think Wemby is 3/4 as ridiculous as the 3 might sound... he is not an NBA level elbow warrior but has wing handles, moves and will be a nightmare to guard on the perimeter with the ball with his length and shooting.
Typical 6"9'ish wing defenders just cannot influence his shot much... at least without overcommitting and jumping high and early.
If he ends up elsewhere I will at least find comfort in the idea that Lauri might be one of the best guys to guard him in this league. Wemby has the edge in length but Lauri wins in physical play with his frame and power.
Bawse Dawg
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Lauri
Wemby
Kessler
Frontcourt would be something
Wemby
Kessler
Frontcourt would be something
Eddie Zero
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they would dominate for a decade buts its a pipe dream as the Jazz continue to win and the Wolves have no incentive to tank
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Ya if its us or minny then **** the **** out of the tank.
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Tremendous Upside
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He may not have a choice. In the NBA your position is largely dictated by who you can defend, and where. At 7'4'' (some sources are saying he's actually 7'5'' in shoes now, which is insane) Wemby is obviously going to be a rim protector on D. There is no other way. There's zero chance he can stay with NBA wings at his height. You do have to pair him with a more traditional big who guards the bruiser types.
On offense I see him ending up as a floor spacer C who shoots a ton of 3s off kickouts. He's a huge and easy target and nobody can bother his shot. He won't be handling the ball in the NBA half court. I know he's skilled, but it won't be enough against NBA defenders. He's too tall.
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Wemby is not playing at the 5. The recipe for disaster is so simple and you can see it here against guys that far, far below the NBA level.
And for anyone that thinks "oh, he'll put on tons of weight now": his team and his family has said that the #1 thing for them is that Wemby will NOT put on any weight. They want to protect his feet, no matter the cost. (I think in the long run that's probably very smart as well.)
He can be a wonderful help / weak side defender because everyone will be scared of the block threat. But if he plays D at 5 (and often 4 as well) as an on-the-ball defender, he'll be flattened.
View: https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1629757320019230721
And for anyone that thinks "oh, he'll put on tons of weight now": his team and his family has said that the #1 thing for them is that Wemby will NOT put on any weight. They want to protect his feet, no matter the cost. (I think in the long run that's probably very smart as well.)
He can be a wonderful help / weak side defender because everyone will be scared of the block threat. But if he plays D at 5 (and often 4 as well) as an on-the-ball defender, he'll be flattened.
View: https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1629757320019230721
Step-Back Hook
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We have:
- Almost three 50/40 shooters with Lauri and Sexton - Ochai is getting there too
- Rim protecting goat Kessler
- Clutch- goat Markkanen who is hungry af after never been in post-season games. And another clutch-goat in JC.
- Constant triple-double threat and a defensive god Kris Dunn
- Another constant triple-double threat in THT
- Veteran presence in Rudy Gay
- One of the best floppers of the league in KO that might win us games with it
IDK how the heck we could not win it all. That would be a massive letdown.
- Almost three 50/40 shooters with Lauri and Sexton - Ochai is getting there too
- Rim protecting goat Kessler
- Clutch- goat Markkanen who is hungry af after never been in post-season games. And another clutch-goat in JC.
- Constant triple-double threat and a defensive god Kris Dunn
- Another constant triple-double threat in THT
- Veteran presence in Rudy Gay
- One of the best floppers of the league in KO that might win us games with it
IDK how the heck we could not win it all. That would be a massive letdown.
Bawse Dawg
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I've held out for a long time. But I think it is time for a stance change.
There are 20 games left in the season, Jazz are a .500 team with a positive differential, and they are very entertaining. Two games back of the four seed, and the middle of the West is a mess. Let the Jazz get in on the fun, I see nothing from these other teams that makes me think the Jazz aren't as good. I can't be against winning on the home stretch, when good playoff positioning is right there to fight for.
I know most 'tankers' would say that has been their outlook all season. But I kept hope alive for really good lotto odds longer than most. That is dead now, and it's going to take a ton of luck no matter what. I would much rather keep pushing the TWolves down, and see what this Jazz team can do in the stretch run.
Been enjoying the league a lot since the ASB. I think we're in a for a great last couple months. And I'll be rooting for my team to emerge from the muck of those Western standings. Will be fun to have rooting interest in almost every game in the West. I want all of those middle teams to play their best, and get ahead of the Wolves. Should the Jazz falter, I want to quickly drop a handful of spots.
Good lotto odds dream is dead. Let's have some fun, and keep the Wolves down. Those are the lotto balls I am praying to now.
There are 20 games left in the season, Jazz are a .500 team with a positive differential, and they are very entertaining. Two games back of the four seed, and the middle of the West is a mess. Let the Jazz get in on the fun, I see nothing from these other teams that makes me think the Jazz aren't as good. I can't be against winning on the home stretch, when good playoff positioning is right there to fight for.
I know most 'tankers' would say that has been their outlook all season. But I kept hope alive for really good lotto odds longer than most. That is dead now, and it's going to take a ton of luck no matter what. I would much rather keep pushing the TWolves down, and see what this Jazz team can do in the stretch run.
Been enjoying the league a lot since the ASB. I think we're in a for a great last couple months. And I'll be rooting for my team to emerge from the muck of those Western standings. Will be fun to have rooting interest in almost every game in the West. I want all of those middle teams to play their best, and get ahead of the Wolves. Should the Jazz falter, I want to quickly drop a handful of spots.
Good lotto odds dream is dead. Let's have some fun, and keep the Wolves down. Those are the lotto balls I am praying to now.
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Good post bawse dawg. I too am a tanker that is rooting for the playoffs (look at the OP in this thread).
But if we lose a bunch too, oh well. Its the season of win win.
Worst case scenario is to get the 8 seed and get swept by losing all 4 games by 20 and then not having a lotto pick (minny makes the playoffs in this worst case)
Other than that i will likely call this season a success no matter what happens. Due almost entirely to Lauri Markennan.
But if we lose a bunch too, oh well. Its the season of win win.
Worst case scenario is to get the 8 seed and get swept by losing all 4 games by 20 and then not having a lotto pick (minny makes the playoffs in this worst case)
Other than that i will likely call this season a success no matter what happens. Due almost entirely to Lauri Markennan.
JimLes
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I'm an old fart at this point. I've been a Jazz fan for almost 30 years now. Looking at it realistically, it's been a good, and more importantly fun, ride. Sure, there was heartbreak along the way. Sure, if you're from the zoomer generation and shout "Rangzzzz!" to end any basketball-related discussion, you might say it's been disappointing overall because there was no championship.
I have no complaints, though. I do hope the Jazz win the championship before I die, but it's not the be all and end all. Some of you are older than me so you'll appreciate the little table below. I was born a few months before the 83-84 season started. The current season is the 40th season since. These are the Jazz records over those years. I've pro-rated all the shortened seasons and I've prorated the current one assuming that the Jazz stay at .500.
The Jazz have won fewer than 41 games only five times and fewer than 38 only twice. That's pretty freaking amazing. Only two seasons in 40 years you could say were objectively and horrifyingly abject. And I gotta confess, those two are the seasons where I watched the least Jazz basketball. One of them led to Willy and the other to DedEx so it's kinda 50/50 as to whether the horrible stuff was even worth it.
What was worth it was that the Jazz provided something to cheer for in 38 out of the last 40 seasons. 38 out of the last 40 years, there was something to play for and something to hope for in March. That's pretty special, I'd say. In a league where only a dozen teams have won it all since I became a Jazz fan, that's not bad. I get the appeal of hoping for a generational star you can build a dynasty around through tanking, but that's happened how many times?
Once again, a Jazz team supposed to win about 20 games has far exceeded those expectations. The team is having fun, Lauri is balling, rookies are showing more promise than I thought they would, and there is a veritable treasure trove of picks. How could this season possibly not be a success?
I have no complaints, though. I do hope the Jazz win the championship before I die, but it's not the be all and end all. Some of you are older than me so you'll appreciate the little table below. I was born a few months before the 83-84 season started. The current season is the 40th season since. These are the Jazz records over those years. I've pro-rated all the shortened seasons and I've prorated the current one assuming that the Jazz stay at .500.
The Jazz have won fewer than 41 games only five times and fewer than 38 only twice. That's pretty freaking amazing. Only two seasons in 40 years you could say were objectively and horrifyingly abject. And I gotta confess, those two are the seasons where I watched the least Jazz basketball. One of them led to Willy and the other to DedEx so it's kinda 50/50 as to whether the horrible stuff was even worth it.
What was worth it was that the Jazz provided something to cheer for in 38 out of the last 40 seasons. 38 out of the last 40 years, there was something to play for and something to hope for in March. That's pretty special, I'd say. In a league where only a dozen teams have won it all since I became a Jazz fan, that's not bad. I get the appeal of hoping for a generational star you can build a dynasty around through tanking, but that's happened how many times?
Once again, a Jazz team supposed to win about 20 games has far exceeded those expectations. The team is having fun, Lauri is balling, rookies are showing more promise than I thought they would, and there is a veritable treasure trove of picks. How could this season possibly not be a success?