David Locke - Utah Jazz are NOT tanking

[The Midnight]

Because our team is competitive. 4-3 since dealine.

Ok forget about Hardy and the players for a sec.

What if I say the trade DA made was a tanking move? Would you agree that was the case?

 

[HermanG]

lol. under that definition no team has ever tanked and we should just bury the term as it relates to professional sports.

Google it. You use the term, so educate yourself with credible sources. There are multiple examples you will find along the way. Compare them to us.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Ok forget about Hardy and the players for a sec.

What if I say the trade DA made was a tanking move? Would you agree that was the case?

or just a move to intentionally get worse so we don't have to deal with semantics. people can define tanking how they want (we can use Herman G's dictionary definition in which case no NBA team has ever tanked) but the fact is, the moves DA made were not made to make the team better. that's just a simple fact.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

But non-competitive IS the definition. Not less conpetitive. Google it.

Yes and scientists struggled for days and worked with governing bodies to come up with the correct definition of this term... good hell...

Here is the definition of competitive - having or displaying a strong desire to be more successful than others

Well by that definition I would say Danny made trades that suggest he does not have a strong desire to be more successful than other teams this year. He made the trades intentionally.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Google it. You use the term, so educate yourself with credible sources. There are multiple examples you will find along the way. Compare them to us.

why should i google it? you posted it right there. using that definition, name one NBA team that has ever tanked.

 

[The Midnight]

This was the first game after the trade went down.

You can clearly see and hear it in Clarkson’s voice that he was disappointed with Conley leaving.

I think it’s this moment he realized DA had wanted to tank all along.


View: https://youtu.be/jdPGZ9wMMAU

 

[HermanG]

Ok forget about Hardy and the players for a sec.

What if I say the trade DA made was a tanking move? Would you agree that was the case?

I told you my definition of tanking is different. That move was made regardless of whether we win or lose more and regardless of whether we even own our pick.

Look at it from this perspective:
It gave more minutes to Sexton, Ochai and Kessler and more shots to Lauri, Clarkson, Sexton and Ochai.

Are those bad for our immediate success?

If they bench the 3 guys and make changes to rotations to achieve that... what happens to the value of those 3 players in the remainder of the season?

It is not as clear cut as you might think.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You start flaming again... Stop with the nonsense of having to trade everything.

Thoae guys were traded and:
Kessler minutes increased by 5.1 per game since Vando was traded (25.7 from Jan 11 to Feb 8.. 30.8 since)
Lauri shots per game up by 4.6 (16.1 to 20.7)
Ochai minutes up by 13 per game, FGA up by 3.4

Not all that obvious those changes are bad for us.... our bench also did fine until we got few injuries and had to play Juzang et al.

Losing was not a priority, and you just cannot see it for whatever reason.

its not nonsense... its literally what you are doing. We send out 4 guys who would be in the rotation or starting right now and you say no big deal cuz Kessler plays 5 more minutes a night and an unproven rookie is now playing and Lauri is shooting a bit more while ignoring Simone, THT, Udoka, JTA, are all very much involved now and much worse players than the guys we sent out.

But because it wasn't Lauri, Kessler, and JC... well then does it even matter?

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I told you my definition of tanking is different. That move was made regardless of whether we win or lose more and regardless of whether we even own our pick.

Look at it from this perspective:
It gave more minutes to Sexton, Ochai and Kessler and more shots to Lauri, Clarkson, Sexton and Ochai.

Are those bad for our immediate success?

If they bench the 3 guys and make changes to rotations to achieve that... what happens to the value of those 3 players in the remainder of the season?

It is not as clear cut as you might think.

we get it. tanking doesn't and has never happened in professional sports. thanks for clearing that up.

 

[HermanG]

why should i google it? you posted it right there. using that definition, name one NBA team that has ever tanked.

Sixers tanked for 4 years. Spurs, Rockets and Pistons are not competitive by design this year.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Sixers tanked for 4 years. Spurs, Rockets and Pistons are not competitive by design this year.

interesting. how is it possible to win games if you are non-competitive? they are obviously competitive if they are winning games against other NBA teams. if they weren't competitive, they'd lose every game by what, 30? 40? not sure what the number is, but they certainly would never win - by definition that makes them competitive. they were definitely as good or better than several teams at various points of the season.

com·pet·i·tive
/kəmˈpedədiv/

as good as or better than others of a comparable nature.

 

[HermanG]

its not nonsense... its literally what you are doing. We send out 4 guys who would be in the rotation or starting right now and you say no big deal cuz Kessler plays 5 more minutes a night and an unproven rookie is now playing and Lauri is shooting a bit more while ignoring Simone, THT, Udoka, JTA, are all very much involved now and much worse players than the guys we sent out.

But because it wasn't Lauri, Kessler, and JC... well then does it even matter?

You are the one who proposed the idea of trading Lauri to further the tank in October. Ive never said that.

Why are KO and JC still here?