David Locke - Utah Jazz are NOT tanking

[HermanG]

How about this one?

Tanking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sounds like exactly what we did. Like, spot on. It backfired a bit when one of our young prospects blossomed into a stay player in a manner beyond our control, with a nod to @fishonjazz 's leaf raking analogy. Otherwise this is exactly what we did. We had 3 all-stars, whom we have now traded away entirely for young prospects and draft compensation, with the monkey wrench of one of those prospect developing himself into a star player, so not as intended, at least not this early.

We were talking about the trade deadline move, not the offseason ones.

 

[The Midnight]

Making a team non-competitive to put it short. Not less competitive, but non-competitive.

So fielding a team of Dok and Juzang amidst the playoffs race doesn't fit that description?

 

[LogGrad98]

We were talking about the trade deadline move, not the offseason ones.

The trade deadline move was when we traded our 3rd all-star, Conley. It all goes together. You cannot take them in a vacuum.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Clarkson being out with a sprained thumb, Sexton being out an extended period of time, Hardy playing our worst players extended minutes… if it looks like a tank and smells like a tank… it’s probably a tank.

 

[The Midnight]

How about this one?

Tanking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sounds like exactly what we did. Like, spot on. It backfired a bit when one of our young prospects blossomed into a star player in a manner beyond our control, with a nod to @fishonjazz 's leaf raking analogy. Otherwise this is exactly what we did. We had 3 all-stars, whom we have now traded away entirely for young prospects and draft compensation, with the monkey wrench of one of those prospect developing himself into a star player, so not as intended, at least not this early.

Yep, too logical for the likes of @HermanG to accept apparently.

 

[HermanG]

Only the first sentence counts... and only Herman's interpretation of the first sentence. Sorry... this perfectly logical piece of nuance is invalid.

Oh now Conley and Beasley were stars. Vando too?

The nuance counts... perffctly in my favor. Thanks.

 

[HermanG]

Yep, too logical for the likes of @HermanG to accept apparently.

Never flaming eh? 3 pages later...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Clarkson being out with a sprained thumb, Sexton being out an extended period of time, Hardy playing our worst players extended minutes… if it looks like a tank and smells like a tank… it’s probably a tank.

I feel like the next rebuttals are going to sound a lot like "it depends on what you definition of "is" is"

Locke was saying JC's injury might require offseason surgery... TJ was like "he's day to day"

Everyone keeps saying the priority with Sexton is to get him to the offseason healthy... like the offseason isn't like 5 months long.

Locke mentions we aren't tanking but that Hardy has a no player left behind strategy so everyone will get a chance to play... sounds like the pedal to the metal right.... right?

Its just obvious where this is headed. I don't like Andy and others calling it out though as that type of stuff can influence a team if enough pressure builds... so please guys... just let the tank ride along quietly...tia.

 

[LogGrad98]

The trade deadline move was when we traded our 3rd all-star, Conley. It all goes together. You cannot take them in a vacuum.

Lessee...

Tanking in sports refers to the practice of intentionally fielding non-competitive teams to take advantage of league rules that benefit losing teams.

Teams that decide to start tanking often do so by trading away star players in order to reduce payroll and bring in younger prospects.

We started with THREE STAR players - Mitchell, Gobert, and Conley, all were all-stars in at least 1 of the past 3 seasons. So to tank properly we need to move all of them to get assets and get worse as a team, so let's take it step by step.

Step 1 - trade Gobert for a record haul of young players and draft comp
Step 2 - trade Mitchell for a record haul of young players and draft comp
Step 3 - trade Conley for, um, for stuff and things and odds and ends

Ancillary step - also add in sending out solid rotation players to step 3 to replace them with G-leaguers and 10-day contracts off the garbage heap.

Tangential step to round it all out - hold onto enough of our current rotational players to avoid league penalties for straight up tanking, e.g. Clarkson.

Seems the tank is right on track.

 

[HermanG]

The trade deadline move was when we traded our 3rd all-star, Conley. It all goes together. You cannot take them in a vacuum.

Are you suggesting our FO ignored what had happened in the season up to that point and just followed a plan they made ages ago?

Why didnt they do a better job?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Oh now Conley and Beasley were stars. Vando too?

The nuance counts... perffctly in my favor. Thanks.

lmao... okay... sure.

 

[HermanG]

Lessee...





We started with THREE STAR players - Mitchell, Gobert, and Conley, all were all-stars in at least 1 of the past 3 seasons. So to tank properly we need to move all of them to get assets and get worse as a team, so let's take it step by step.

Step 1 - trade Gobert for a record haul of young players and draft comp
Step 2 - trade Mitchell for a record haul of young players and draft comp
Step 3 - trade Conley for, um, for stuff and things and odds and ends

Ancillary step - also add in sending out solid rotation players to step 3 to replace them with G-leaguers and 10-day contracts off the garbage heap.

Tangential step to round it all out - hold onto enough of our current rotational players to avoid league penalties for straight up tanking, e.g. Clarkson.

Seems the tank is right on track.

Building a narrative that Conley was a star is going to make our FO look even worse since we traded him for two bags of chips.

I think they have done a good job.