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David Locke - Utah Jazz are NOT tanking

Someone help me out here, what's the term for not accepting something when there is overwhelming evidence staring them in the face?
 
LogGrad98 said:
You are completely missing the nuance of managing a professional sports team and avoiding league penalties announced specifically to minimize blatant tanking. There are 2 parts to all this, one part is the FO deciding who to keep, the 2nd part is the coaching staff trying to be competitive. For this to work and avoid penalties the FO needs to give the coach the worst possible team without blatantly dropping everyone so the league gets suspicious. The coach, for his part, needs to try to be as competitive as possible, again to avoid the league coming down on them for blatant DNP-CDs geared toward tanking. It is the same thing as the president having no knowledge of the aliens in area 51. Plausible deniability. The coaching staff has plausible deniability as they are still playing to win. But if I replace several of your good chess pieces, like knights and bishops, with pawns, and tell you to go win, that chance of winning goes down. But a good player with pieces that surprise you and still play together well can get some surprising wins, despite being hamstrung by a FO that replaced some of your key pieces. See none of this can be blatant or we get penalized, and that is the last thing we want. The worst thing that could happen would be to drop like a rock in the standings then have the league take all that losing effort away from us and give it to someone else because they determine we are tanking against league rules. It is a balancing act to be sure, but do not let that fool you into thinking the goal here is to try to win a championship or something. The goal is to maximize our assets, and get in the best draft position we can without being penalized for it. So at the trade deadline we were performing way way better than the FO thought we should, with a surprise all-star on the roster, so we move our last "star" player. You better believe there were likely teams with better offers for Conley, he is highly regarded after all, but we traded him for a handful of decidedly non-magic beans. The FO is doing the best they can to replace all our good pieces with pawns, but we have a few pawns that refuse to stay pawns, and a coach that is a pretty damn good chess player, and that is the part that we simply cannot control for, and if we do then we get penalized for blatant tanking. So we manufacture a few minor injuries that take weeks to heal, when it really maybe takes days, and we keep some key people out that way. Fudge a few numbers. Take a few "precautions" to bring back Sexton and Clarkson healthy after their boo-boos heal, which, you know, will take much longer than we thought *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*. And the tank gets put back on track, at least as much as we can. We do not have the luxury of an organic tank job like OKC or Houston, which is happening over several seasons so their losing is more organic. We are forcing the issue which makes the tank much harder without waking the giant and getting penalized for it. But tanking it is, nonetheless.
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Good post albeit lot of this has been discussed. Do you also belong in the group who says there is no middle ground between win-now and lose-now?

My claim is this. We traded 2 stars and went into the season with bunch of unknowns and few proven players. The FO said the goal is to evaluate everyone.

Turns out, we identified a few golden nuggets in that pile of sand. That should cause the plan to change, right?

Im emjoying the discussion but I'm typing on my phone and cannot keep up with replying to all of you lol.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Someone help me out here, what's the term for not accepting something when there is overwhelming evidence staring them in the face?
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Overwhelming evidence? One trade that has 3 other clear objectives (cap, assets, development of core players).

You are in over your head. Leave this to HH like you did those questions before and grab your popcorn.
 
fishonjazz said:
When I raked my leaves I did it well. Didn't work out though. That happens sometimes.
I mean he did it well enough that almost everyone thought we would be one of the worst teams in the league. Vegas had us winning 23.5 games as evidence of how well danny ainge did it. Some rookies and Lauri didn't do it as well as they were expected to.
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Btw Vegas has us at 39.5 now if that qualifies as evidence. So thats a 39-43 tank and 10th in lottery odds?
 
Im more than happy to stop this though. My fingerprints are gone from my thumb. We can resume this once we see where we are landing.

My hope is 10th or worse in lottery.. but realistically could be 11th or 12th.

If 8th comes true I will happily congratulate you all and praise the tank I didnt see until it ran over me. You promise to do the same in some scenario... yes?
 
Hopefully we can all at least agree that the most useless thing we have done in 2023 is this discussion.

We will always share this memory.
 
HermanG said:
Overwhelming evidence? One trade that has 3 other clear objectives (cap, assets, development of core players).

You are in over your head. Leave this to HH like you did those questions before and grab your popcorn.
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Bro, Log wrote an Essay that should convince most logical individuals about what's happening here and you still refuse to see it.

Personally I think you're just arguing for argument's sake.

I dunno maybe you're just bored.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Bro, Log wrote an essay that should convince most logical individuals about what's happening here and you still refuse to see it.

Personally I think you're just arguing for argument's sake.

I dunno maybe you're just bored.
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Yeah Im sorry coming across trashy.. but I guess we both did that.

I can assure you though, Im nothing if not logical. You see all the stats I dig up for you all the time? Takes time and effort to get them.

Edit: and yes, bored is a good read.
 
HermanG said:
Good post albeit lot of this has been discussed. Do you also belong in the group who says there is no middle ground between win-now and lose-now?

My claim is this. We traded 2 stars and went into the season with bunch of unknowns and few proven players. The FO said the goal is to evaluate everyone.

Turns out, we identified a few golden nuggets in that pile of sand. That should cause the plan to change, right?

Im emjoying the discussion but I'm typing on my phone and cannot keep up with replying to all of you lol.
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This is a good post. Might have been the plan to tank originally and then the unexpected stuff happened and that killed the tank. Tanking couldn't work once we found the golden nuggets. Kinda what I have been saying. The effort to tank by the front office was there. Just couldn't work cause of the unexpected.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Someone help me out here, what's the term for not accepting something when there is overwhelming evidence staring them in the face?
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Its called Herman-ing (I'm kidding @HermanG so please don't take it personally)
 
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