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David Locke - Utah Jazz are NOT tanking

HermanG said:
Btw Vegas has us at 39.5 now if that qualifies as evidence. So thats a 39-43 tank and 10th in lottery odds?
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Yep. The unexpected happened. The wind picked and blew the leaves all over the place. The effort for the tank was there by the front office. Wasn't there by the players and coaches though. If a couple of the spurs players would have popped unexpectedly like Lauri and Kessler then the spurs would be winning way more games too. Our players unexpectedly popped. Their didn't. So they have a tank and we dont despite similar efforts and goals.
 
fishonjazz said:
This is a good post. Might have been the plan to tank originally and then the unexpected stuff happened and that killed the tank. Tanking couldn't work once we found the golden nuggets. Kinda what I have been saying. The effort to tank by the front office was there. Just couldn't work cause of the unexpected.
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Well it essentially is what happened. Whether tank was plan A or plan B is debatable. But we wanted to get guys in return who had huge upside.. and if we fell flat then the draft was always there waiting.
 
fishonjazz said:
This is a good post. Might have been the plan to tank originally and then the unexpected stuff happened and that killed the tank. Tanking couldn't work once we found the golden nuggets. Kinda what I have been saying. The effort to tank by the front office was there. Just couldn't work cause of the unexpected.
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I also think GMs don't have these master plans they execute with precision. It is very much that they head in a general direction and make the best decisions based on opportunities along the path. So the details of what they thought the plan would be change but the general direction doesn't change unless something earth shattering happens.

If we had kept winning at more of a plus .500 pace after the 10-3 start I think we might actually have been buyers at the deadline. Once the dust had settled and we saw that we are more like a .500 or below team you adjust the course a bit. The plan is to find as much young talent as possible. We thought that would come through the draft this year... and it still might... but we also found Lauri and Kessler so the timeline might speed up by a year or two... we don't know exactly where the additional piece will come from so you boost your odds in one area when the opportunity comes along.
 
HermanG said:
Btw we created a monster. You and I (fish also) are the OG tank no-tank debaters... but this thread is 18 pages in 1 day lmao.
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We did... and now I will have to sit in it and get lol'd every time we win a game. At least we didn't say Kessler should go to the G League though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We did... and now I will have to sit in it and get lol'd every time we win a game. At least we didn't say Kessler should go to the G League though.
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Which honestly is a ****** place to be. I enjoy winning and playing well still in the moment. Its like McDonald's... **** tastes good right now but later I'm like "why did I do that".
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We did... and now I will have to sit in it and get lol'd every time we win a game. At least we didn't say Kessler should go to the G League though.
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Yeah well whatever happens, we gonna be in a good place......

......

....except if we start this debate ever again.
First one was 6 pages in 48 hours
This was 18 pages in 24 hours
Next one by steady progression would be 54 pages in 12 hours
 
Well I for 1 am predicting we drop down the standings like a ton of bricks over the final stretch as DA start to tighten his grip on the team.

Let’s see if I’m right or wrong.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its what he should do. i don't fault him for it at all... I also wouldn't point to him as the oracle of truth so will take what he says with a grain of salt.

I mean its always Locke telling us a trade isn't about money... when it clearly is... or talking about the virtues of selling worthless second round picks to have capital to invest in the program. Everyone just has to have their eyes open and judge for themselves.
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Right....like why would you go to a team employee to tell you that the team isn't trying to win? Have no idea why people get mad that a team employee is trying to give a PR approach and put the team in a good light. Why do we get mad at people for doing their job lol.
 
HermanG said:
Well it essentially is what happened. Whether tank was plan A or plan B is debatable. But we wanted to get guys in return who had huge upside.. and if we fell flat then the draft was always there waiting.
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Agreed.
 
HermanG said:
Yeah well whatever happens, we gonna be in a good place......

......

....except if we start this debate ever again.
First one was 6 pages in 48 hours
This was 18 pages in 24 hours
Next one by steady progression would be 54 pages in 12 hours
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Eventually, infinite pages in 0 hours. Please, think of the children!!
 
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