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How Much $$$ Should Jazz Throw at Austin Reaves?

Tremendous Upside said:
THT hung 37 on the Hornets. I don't think we'll see a furious bidding war for his services when he hits the market.
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Yeah no bidding war but you better believe he will be a commodity. Plenty of teams want a guy like him off their bench. For a contender he would be a great energy guy who can handle the ball and defend adequately in space and hit the occasional 3. Those are valuable skills and plenty of teams will take a look at him this offseason.
 
If the Jazz can add another young guy with starting potential in free agency, then that Westbrook trade will be a slam dunk.

Assuming the Jazz want to keep THT and JC, how much cap space (after holds) will they be able to create in order to go after someone like Austin Reaves?
 
Coach Ellis said:
If the Jazz can add another young guy with starting potential in free agency, then that Westbrook trade will be a slam dunk.

Assuming the Jazz want to keep THT and JC, how much cap space (after holds) will they be able to create in order to go after someone like Austin Reaves?
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It depends on what kind of deal JC gets and if we keep KO and Gay as well. If we kept everyone including THT we’d have around 22M to work with.
 
Elizah Huge said:
It depends on what kind of deal JC gets and if we keep KO and Gay as well. If we kept everyone including THT we’d have around 22M to work with.
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You’re better at the cap stuff than I am, is that number based on Clarkson and THT opting out and then factoring in their cap holds? Or is that based on them opting in?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, I’m totally sold. The Lakers would have to use their beloved cap space reserved for a star to keep him OR only have Early Bird Rights to match. He’s a sitting duck for us.
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Never mind. The Gilbert Arenas provision attempts to correct this issue for the incumbent team but was invisible to me because I had no framework to apply it.

Here’s a Reaves breakdown by Spotrac.

If I understand correctly/TLDR; the Lakers can match offers when above the cap and at a starting rate just above the MLE, they just have to structure the cap hit so the amount above the Early Bird/~MLE hits in years 3 and 4 of a 4-year deal.

TLDR; I think the Lakers match up to 4/$80 so the Jazz have to come with a strong offer.
 
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@Handlogten's Heros touched on this, but what’s probably the best avenue for the Lakers is to use Reaves in a SnT in order to capture the value but dodge the squirrely contract stuff.

I don’t know if they’re dumb enough to take back Clarkson in such a deal or how that could be structured, but that is probably something to be thinking about here (especially since Reaves is better than JC by a healthy margin since he’s a complete player and efficient).
 
NUMBERICA said:
@Handlogten's Heros touched on this, but what’s probably the best avenue for the Lakers is to use Reaves in a SnT in order to capture the value but dodge the squirrely contract stuff.

I don’t know if they’re dumb enough to take back Clarkson in such a deal or how that could be structured, but that is probably something to be thinking about here (especially since Reaves is better than JC by a healthy margin since he’s a complete player and efficient).
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How many fans would prefer to swap Reaves with JC in the lineup moving forward? If the Jazz pay him what it’s going to cost to pry him away from the Lakers, they really need to have him in the starting lineup.
 
Coach Ellis said:
How many fans would prefer to swap Reaves with JC in the lineup moving forward? If the Jazz pay him what it’s going to cost to pry him away from the Lakers, they really need to have him in the starting lineup.
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I think he should be in the starting lineup because he rounds out the backcourt better than anyone else I would hope to get. He looks like an elite glue guy and this team needs something like that somewhere on the roster. There will always be room on a roster for a sharpshooter and plus defender, saying nothing of the passing, feel, and intangibles.

Clarkson can get really hot, is really fun, and can win you some games (also can lose you some games…). He will also probably never be as good as he’s been this season since it’s his last contract year of his prime.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Never mind. The Gilbert Arenas provision attempts to correct this issue for the incumbent team but was invisible to me because I had no framework to apply it.

Here’s a Reaves breakdown by Spotrac.

If I understand correctly/TLDR; the Lakers can match offers when above the cap and at a rate just above the MLE, they just have to structure the cap hit so the amount above the Early Bird/~MLE hits in years 3 and 4 of a 4-year deal.

TLDR; I think the Lakers match up to 4/$80 so the Jazz have to come with a strong offer.
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I scanned an article on this... I think the most he can get is 4/80... if Lakers match it then it is the weird Lin structure of like 12m first two years and 25M+ the last two years... which is not ideal for us capwise.

As mentioned in the other post... I think you do this by letting them know the big offer is coming and try to work a sign and trade. If they say eff off we will just match then you call the bluff and make the offer. JC double sign and trade is possible but they would have to stay under the apron... not gonna run that math but it might be an issue.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I scanned an article on this... I think the most he can get is 4/80... if Lakers match it then it is the weird Lin structure of like 12m first two years and 25M+ the last two years... which is not ideal for us capwise.

As mentioned in the other post... I think you do this by letting them know the big offer is coming and try to work a sign and trade. If they say eff off we will just match then you call the bluff and make the offer. JC double sign and trade is possible but they would have to stay under the apron... not gonna run that math but it might be an issue.
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According the article, the cap-hit for the team that signs him is the flat average amount of the contract (so $80/4 years would be exactly $20 million per year).

Not sure how a front-loaded offer even factors in here but that would be the way to go. If it’s just the average mark then that’s honestly still fairly favorable to the team signing him relative to the rising cap.
 
Hard to see the Lakers not matching anything on Reaves. Jeanine Buss is probably convincing herself he's the next Jerry West
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think he should be in the starting lineup because he rounds out the backcourt better than anyone else I would hope to get. He looks like an elite glue guy and this team needs something like that somewhere on the roster. There will always be room on a roster for a sharpshooter and plus defender, saying nothing of the passing, feel, and intangibles.

Clarkson can get really hot, is really fun, and can win you some games (also can lose you some games…). He will also probably never be as good as he’s been this season since it’s his last contract year of his prime.
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Ya I love clarkson but im ready to move on from him. This is arguably his best season of his career and yet I have enjoyed the games when he doesn't play more than when he does and our record doesn't seem to be much worse when he doesn't play.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hard to see the Lakers not matching anything on Reaves. Jeanine Buss is probably convincing herself he's the next Jerry West
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No doubt he is earning himself a massive payday. The lakers have hit on a shocking number of late 1st, 2nd rd picks and undrafted free agents over the last 9 years.

Jordan Clarkson- 46th pick in 2014
Larry Nance- 27th pick in 2015
Ivica Zubac- 32nd pick in 2016
Kyle Kuzma- 27th pick in 2017
Josh Hart- 30thh pick in 2017
Thomas Bryant- 42nd pick in 2017
Moritz Wagner- 25th pick in 2018
Talen Horton Tucker- 46th pick in 2019
Alex Caruso- Undrafted
Austin Reaves- Undrafted

I also think we are going to look back on Max Christie in the few years and say he was a steal for a 2nd rd pick.
 
Jazz could sign Reaves, draft Dick Filipowski, Edey
Then with Olynyk, Kessler, Markannen have a true hillbilly team
Then name Jazz the Utah Hillbillies :) :) :) :) :) :) o_O:rolleyes::cool:
 
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