Game Thread Mar 20, 2023 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Kings

[jom2003]

Wtf is this? Please go look at the history of the #4 pick and the #15 pick and tell me how many times 15 was better than 4… it’s not a crapshoot after 4 and no one who has actually looked at this draft and has multiple brain cells thinks that.

Just go look up draft class 2013 and 2015 then get back to me.

I never said it's "more likely" to get a better player at 15th cuz that'd be silly. But it's definitely very possible. There's been draft classes in which 7 out of 10 guys drafted in the top 10 are busts. And the best player out of that draft class ends up being someone taken outside of the top 10. I mean for goodness sake it's only been 9 months but who'd leave Kessler available until the 22nd pick in the draft?

We can't just look at the generalized history but have to analyze each draft class on a year by year basis.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

I love those kind of debate. If we were bad, half of the board will post how good it is to have high pick. We are too good and suddenly picks are not that important...... i think the truth is in-betweeen. you can pick high but still need a bit of luck. Zion, Wiseman are not winning anything right now as is JA.
We can trade our pick to get better but i believe that this is trough smart trade that we will become a contender. Full trust in Hardy and DA. So i wanna see this team in the Play-in, PO as this is the best way to learn.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just go look up draft class 2013 and 2015 then get back to me.

I never said it's "more likely" to get a better player at 15th cuz that'd be silly. But it's definitely very possible. There's been draft classes in which 7 out of 10 guys drafted in the top 10 are busts. And the best player out of that draft class ends up being someone taken outside of the top 10. I mean for goodness sake it's only been 9 months but who'd leave Kessler available until the 22nd pick in the draft?

We can't just look at the generalized history but have to analyze each draft class on a year by year basis.

You said very likely… and two out of like 20 plus years… don’t be dumb

 

[jom2003]

You said very likely… and two out of like 20 plus years… don’t be dumb

"Very likely" means well...very likely. As opposed to words like MORE likely or BETTER. Don't be dumb. Read English and stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

"Very likely" means well...very likely. As opposed to words like MORE likely or BETTER. Don't be dumb. Read English and stop putting words in my mouth.

It’s very likely we will draft someone better than we could at 4… okay… got it… I can’t read.

 

[infection]

 

[jom2003]

It’s very likely we will draft someone better than we could at 4… okay… got it… I can’t read.

Yeah apparently you cant.

let me rephrase it for you. would you take Kessler, or would you take Murray/Mathurin/Sharpe/Daniels/Johnny Davis. Read it again.

 

[framer]

I love those kind of debate. If we were bad, half of the board will post how good it is to have high pick. We are too good and suddenly picks are not that important...... i think the truth is in-betweeen. you can pick high but still need a bit of luck. Zion, Wiseman are not winning anything right now as is JA.
We can trade our pick to get better but i believe that this is trough smart trade that we will become a contender. Full trust in Hardy and DA. So i wanna see this team in the Play-in, PO as this is the best way to learn.

I don't think that anyone thinks that a non-lottery pick is better than a lottery pick, in fact literally NOBODY thinks that, it is a straw man. What people are saying is that the damage, at this point, you would have to do to this team to ensure a top 10 pick, isn't worth the long term cost. Jazz are doing their damndest to tank and the players are having NONE OF IT. at some point you just need to say "fine, show us what you can do!" and take off the hundred pounds of garbage you have taped to them to slow them down.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

You have to maintain a culture of winning. How many teams are continously in the lottery and stay there? I'd love to get a high draft pick, and I think the Jazz are trying to lose while maintaining a winning culture. The pendelum is tilting towards wins unfortunately for their draft pick positioning.

The experience these young guys are getting is so valuable, I wish this is what the entire season was for the young guys. Teaching to win and not settle is necessary.

Watching Kessler and Ochai is a lot of fun. Watching a lot of off ball action, effort on defense, and staying in games is like coming up from the depths of the ocean for fresh air after drowning for years.

 

[prodigy]

The power of 2 picks - Jazz trade up into top 10. It will happen. With Agbaji playing well you feel okay about losing a 1st round pick in order to find that next top talent.

 

[Nate505]

What an emotional night this must have been for the tankers. It's almost enough to make you feel for them. Well not really, but still

 

[Nate505]

The pro win tears will be epic!!!