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Being bad at the rim and awful from 3 is definitely a red flag. Even GG is has passable (ish) numbers from those areas of the court.
 
KqWIN said:
Being bad at the rim and awful from 3 is definitely a red flag. Even GG is has passable (ish) numbers from those areas of the court.
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What you are missing is that Flip is a good defender... well not at the rim because he isn't huge... and on the perimeter he's slow... but he is a good defender still.

Look... the guy has quick hands and will get some steals. IF he can shoot it he will be a solid third big option. I'd rather use the MLE to get a guy already doing that and there are plenty of guys that are much better upside plays.

If Flip is there at #27... by all means draft him... at #13... nah.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What you are missing is that Flip is a good defender... well not at the rim because he isn't huge... and on the perimeter he's slow... but he is a good defender still.

Look... the guy has quick hands and will get some steals. IF he can shoot it he will be a solid third big option. I'd rather use the MLE to get a guy already doing that and there are plenty of guys that are much better upside plays.

If Flip is there at #27... by all means draft him... at #13... under absolutely no circumstance, are you ****ing kidding me? Total clown ****.
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fishonjazz said:
Are the twins identical twins? Like can you tell them apart? Looks like they are the same height and weight.
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They look identical to me, but I assume their mom can tell them apart. Amen is #1. Ausar is #0
 
KqWIN said:
Being bad at the rim and awful from 3 is definitely a red flag. Even GG is has passable (ish) numbers from those areas of the court.
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And Jordan Hawkins only shot 33% as a Freshman and is now considered a near generational shooter. Sometimes you got to have eyes.
 
We don’t need to do this again but you are all missing context. Flip affected winning more than any other freshman. He is closer to the lottery than the second round contrary to what everyone besides myself and Cy think.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And Jordan Hawkins only shot 33% as a Freshman and is now considered a near generational shooter. Sometimes you got to have eyes.
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Yeah and Kawhi couldn't shoot in college and was great in the NBA. If every weakness is just ignored because someone else was exceptional in their development than no one has weaknesses.
 
There are so many players who shot low thirties from 3 in college and higher thirties in the league. More spacing and better looks.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And Jordan Hawkins only shot 33% as a Freshman and is now considered a near generational shooter. Sometimes you got to have eyes.
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on 81 attempts... if 3 more rattle in instead of out he is a 37% shooter. Kyle shot 124... its a bigger sample.. but still small. Jordan also shot 82% from the FT line. Jordan is also moving around screens and trying to get open. Kyle is generally pretty open.

Shot mechanics aren't close. Kyle's aren't terrible but Hawkins is bonkers.
 
Elizah Huge said:
We don’t need to do this again but you are all missing context. Flip affected winning more than any other freshman. He is closer to the lottery than the second round contrary to what everyone besides myself and Cy think.
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I agree we don’t need to do this again and will bow out of the convo. I get the idea of Flip I’m just not sure what translates. I think I’d rather take a chance on Jaime Jaquez if we are going for the winner with a game that might not translate in the nba route.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
on 81 attempts... if 3 more rattle in instead of out he is a 37% shooter. Kyle shot 124... its a bigger sample.. but still small. Jordan also shot 82% from the FT line. Jordan is also moving around screens and trying to get open. Kyle is generally pretty open.

Shot mechanics aren't close. Kyle's aren't terrible but Hawkins is bonkers.
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Well I'm not saying he is Jordan Hawkins, but the point is that a lot of players have big leaps from Freshman to Sophomore year. He showed a lot more positive signs than he did negative signs as a Freshman.

Filipowski's shot is pretty good looking. Of course he isnt some insane movement shooter, but the guy was far overextended trying to carry a Duke team who got off to a super slow start due to injuries and Freshman not being ready to contribute right away. His best skills is his fluidity/mobility as a 7'er while not being soft. When he combines that with some actual strength he will be a pretty dangerous scorer.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
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Well I'm not saying he is Jordan Hawkins, but the point is that a lot of players have big leaps from Freshman to Sophomore year. He showed a lot more positive signs than he did negative signs as a Freshman.

Filipowski's shot is pretty good looking. Of course he isnt some insane movement shooter, but the guy was far overextended trying to carry a Duke team who got off to a super slow start due to injuries and Freshman not being ready to contribute right away. His best skills is his fluidity/mobility as a 7'er while not being soft. When he combines that with some actual strength he will be a pretty dangerous scorer.
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That’s fine… In the 20s
 
Elizah Huge said:
There are so many players who shot low thirties from 3 in college and higher thirties in the league. More spacing and better looks.
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Flip didn't even hit low 30's....also, there are a lot more guys who couldn't shoot in college that also couldn't shoot in the NBA. In fact, there are way more guys who could shoot in college that couldn't shoot in the NBA than the other way around. You can use exceptions to justify anything. Doesn't change the fact that they are exceptions.
 
KqWIN said:
Flip didn't even hit low 30's....also, there are a lot more guys who couldn't shoot in college that also couldn't shoot in the NBA. In fact, there are way more guys who could shoot in college that couldn't shoot in the NBA than the other way around. You can use exceptions to justify anything. Doesn't change the fact that they are exceptions.
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It’s not an exception it’s a real thing that happens with a lot of players.
 
Elizah Huge said:
It’s not an exception it’s a real thing that happens with a lot of players.
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People get in car crashes. It's a real thing that happens to a lot of people. It's still an exception to get into a car crash.

There are way more examples of guys who could shoot in college but shoot worse in the NBA.
 
I think it's telling that Flip's three ball was so bad we can't even stretch him into the exceptional cases. Why are we talking about about low 30's? I'm not going around pretending Noah Clowney was a low 30's shooter lol.
 
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