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KqWIN said:
The shot profile is where I find the similarity with CJ. There are few scorers in the NBA that can survive without getting shots at the rim and free throw line. CJ is honestly the only one that comes to mind but I'm sure there are others. Clarkson maybe? Again, not exactly the most efficient scorer. I'm not saying he plays exactly like these players, but I'm just pointing out how rare it is to be a good scorer without being able to get to the rim. JHS is not a 6'6 CJ. CJ is an elite jump shooter. JHS is just average, but he will need to become elite like CJ to make things work.

IMO, JHS has the more limited outcomes and is more likely because the likelihood he becomes am efficient scorer is so narrow. Even if he becomes ELITE at making the kinds of shots he takes, he will struggle to be average. George and Bufkin in particular have much more clear paths to being starters because they can produce more efficient offense. To even have a chance at being efficient JHS has to prove he can turn those mid range shots into 3 balls, and even if he can he will struggle with his awful+nonexistent pressure on the rim. You can get better at the rim, especially with NBA spacing, but IMO that is a physical limitation JHS has. He has no burst to get the rim and when he does he's a ground bound. Even with a ton of improvement he would still be below average.

His measurements are great, those measurements don't seem to help him much. He is amongst the worst in class at finishing at the rim and in stocks. If the size amounted to more I'd be interested. His PG skills might be the best of this group, but IMO George and Bufkin are not far behind. I'm harping on the scoring a lot, but that's because I think that's his path as an NBA player. He's not exactly a standout in other areas.
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All his weaknesses can be approved on and he's huge. He doesn't have to be a great athlete to do it either because of his size.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
All his weaknesses can be approved on and he's huge. He doesn't have to be a great athlete to do it either because of his size.
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Sure, same goes for everyone. He already had the size and was awful. Does not demonstrate burst to consistently get to the rim or the elevation to finish/draw fouls once he gets there. You say he’s huge….I’d say he’s slow and ground bound. At the end of the day what matters is the actual production and he was awful. He’s not just bad, he’s amongst the worst in the draft both at getting to the basket and finishing. Yeah he can improve, but he has a farther way to go than just about anyone.

If he was a proven, knockdown 3 point shooter or strong stocks guy it would be different….but right now he only offers a good mid range game and decent PG skills. He hardly stands out in any way besides the smooth mid range game which is the most difficult way to succeed in the NBA.

I can understand focusing on the best games they had and trying to gain some extra insight that way, but the way his best games went do not convince me. It came by way of super hot, streaky and unsustainable shooting. The only way this kind of play works is if you are elite. There’s a reason why JHS is one of the least efficient players in the class.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
Right now at #9 I am all in on Cason Wallace
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no way this org feels the same, unless they eating button tops on draft day, not with so many potentially higher impact,and elite off and on ball shooters that are being slept on. More importantly the available and much higher defensive impact forwards that will be there and fortify our front court with the Finnisher and Kessler. This is the priority. Not a pg.
Wallace at least has a chance to improve his woeful shooting over the long haul, despite not being a great athlete to power through on finishes, to make up for his lack of glass wizardry. So sure he might be worth it for us at 16 on paper,depending on the other options left, especially if they think his defense transfers against grown men once he gets yolked up ,but not at that 9 spot.
I would guess Danny might just rather pay Quickly and get the same production and better spacing skills.
Wallace is not strong enough or skilled enough to play defense at the same level against the nba crowd as he did against meh creators this is obvious to anyone and only the people in the KY hype camp are pushing this kids hype. He is not even considered a true point by most if they are honest. I would rather draft hard to get forwards or elite shooters and on ball creators not so called defensive specialists that can make expose college defenses, yet cannot draw any defense on themself against nba teams unless they are sleepwalking
 
KqWIN said:
Sure, same goes for everyone. He already had the size and was awful. Does not demonstrate burst to consistently get to the rim or the elevation to finish/draw fouls once he gets there. You say he’s huge….I’d say he’s slow and ground bound. At the end of the day what matters is the actual production and he was awful. He’s not just bad, he’s amongst the worst in the draft both at getting to the basket and finishing. Yeah he can improve, but he has a farther way to go than just about anyone.

If he was a proven, knockdown 3 point shooter or strong stocks guy it would be different….but right now he only offers a good mid range game and decent PG skills. He hardly stands out in any way besides the smooth mid range game which is the most difficult way to succeed in the NBA.

I can understand focusing on the best games they had and trying to gain some extra insight that way, but the way his best games went do not convince me. It came by way of super hot, streaky and unsustainable shooting. The only way this kind of play works is if you are elite. There’s a reason why JHS is one of the least efficient players in the class.
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Lmfao

His size (not to mention feel) makes these improvements realistic and within reach. It's not like that for everyone. Just stop with the essays to say absolute BS.
 
And if your a damn Bilal Coulibay Stan (or basically any European prospect save for the elite ones), you subscribe to the peak performances theory because none of them are that consistent due to the higher level of competition (both on their own team and opponent)
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
Right now at #9 I am all in on Cason Wallace
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I like him a lot more today than i did a month ago. I would be happy with him at 9 but i really want one of hendricks or ausar to fall to 9 or move up for walker or cam. If none of that happens then i probably want wallace at 9. If that also cant happen then probably dick at 9.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And if your a damn Bilal Coulibay Stan (or basically any European prospect save for the elite ones), you subscribe to the peak performances theory because none of them are that consistent due to the higher level of competition (both on their own team and opponent)
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I never said I did not subscribe to the peak performance theory. You can also like players for different reasons. For example, I like Bilal because he isn’t a total ground bound athlete who can’t finish at the basket. What I said is that JHS’s peak performance don’t indicate something I think is reproducible on a consistent basis. They come by way of elite tough shot making which of course is a difficult way to get by in the NBA.

JHS is large for a PG, not for average player. If a 6’6 wing sucked at finishing it would still be cause for concern. He can’t finish around bigger players plain and simple. Positional size doesn’t make a difference when it’s the big man you have to score on. 6’6 with no explosiveness isn’t exactly a recipe for success.
 
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KqWIN said:
I never said I did not subscribe to the peak performance theory. You can also like players for different reasons. For example, I like Bilal because he isn’t a total ground bound athlete who can’t finish at the basket. What I said is that JHS’s peak performance don’t indicate something I think is reproducible on a consistent basis. They come by way of elite tough shot making which of course is a difficult way to get by in the NBA.

JHS is large for a PG, not for average player. If a 6’6 wing sucked at finishing it would still be cause for concern. He can’t finish around bigger players plain and simple. Positional size doesn’t make a difference when it’s the big man you have to score on. 6’6 with no explosiveness isn’t exactly a recipe for success.
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What?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What?
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The reason why we're calling JHS big is because he's big compared to PG's, but not other players on the court. It doesn't matter if you're 6'6 and playing PG or 6'6 playing SG when you're trying to score against a big man at the basket. We're acting like being 6'6 with no explosiveness is a great foundation to finish at the rim. It's not.

There's a belief that Dariq Whitehead will be much better at the rim than he showed this season. That not because he's 6'7, it's because there's a belief that he's way more athletic when fully healthy. If Whitehead was a forever groundbound athlete no one would just assume he will be ok at the rim because he's 6'7.
 
KqWIN said:
The reason why we're calling JHS big is because he's big compared to PG's, but not other players on the court. It doesn't matter if you're 6'6 and playing PG or 6'6 playing SG when you're trying to score against a big man at the basket. We're acting like being 6'6 with no explosiveness is a great foundation to finish at the rim. It's not.

There's a belief that Dariq Whitehead will be much better at the rim than he showed this season. That not because he's 6'7, it's because there's a belief that he's way more athletic when fully healthy. If Whitehead was a forever groundbound athlete no one would just assume he will be ok at the rim because he's 6'7.
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Ok bud
 
KqWIN said:
Sure, same goes for everyone. He already had the size and was awful. Does not demonstrate burst to consistently get to the rim or the elevation to finish/draw fouls once he gets there. You say he’s huge….I’d say he’s slow and ground bound. At the end of the day what matters is the actual production and he was awful. He’s not just bad, he’s amongst the worst in the draft both at getting to the basket and finishing. Yeah he can improve, but he has a farther way to go than just about anyone.

If he was a proven, knockdown 3 point shooter or strong stocks guy it would be different….but right now he only offers a good mid range game and decent PG skills. He hardly stands out in any way besides the smooth mid range game which is the most difficult way to succeed in the NBA.

I can understand focusing on the best games they had and trying to gain some extra insight that way, but the way his best games went do not convince me. It came by way of super hot, streaky and unsustainable shooting. The only way this kind of play works is if you are elite. There’s a reason why JHS is one of the least efficient players in the class.
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I'm not high on JHS, but there might be something to grabbing a player with a smooth midrange game that also has the size to defend. Modern defenses are constructed to deny the rim and stuff the 3 point line. They will literally give you the midrange for free. Having one guy that can get that is a huge bonus. Ideally, though, I would like for that player to have at least a rim game or a three point shot too.
 
fishonjazz said:
I like him a lot more today than i did a month ago. I would be happy with him at 9 but i really want one of hendricks or ausar to fall to 9 or move up for walker or cam. If none of that happens then i probably want wallace at 9. If that also cant happen then probably dick at 9.
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I want to like him but I see him as playing pg in the nba while not really being a pg that is skilled at playmaking for him or others with limited ball skills. What am I missing? I just can’t get excited about the prospects of picking him ninth.
 
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