Fine with this book in elementary? Educating kids on butt plugs in public schools. Please explain why that is needed in elementary school?
It wasn't in 9+... so should it be banned in elementary or middle school?
We are not talking about friends and conversation. We are talking about "eating *****" books in elementary and middle school. Please tell me why that is needed in public schools?
I said "elementary schools that go up to 7th-8th grade", i.e., that cover the traditional middle schools years. The libraries of these schools are typically sorted by grade level.
"Helpful, accurate information about sexual topics should be available ... 7th-8th grade. What's your objection?" I await your objection.
I don't see a reason to expose kids in 5th grade or lower to it. For middle schoolers, I'd be interested in the context of those pictures before I make a judgment. I strongly doubt the book has them in that sort of display.
You don't understand the importance of kids reading books that discuss the things kids talk about? I'm not sure where the disconnect is, so you'd have to clarify your objections further before I could explain.
So you're fine with a third grader going into the library and pull out these books? This isn't the old video rental shops where they had the "adult" section in the back room.
What class will bring up or should bring up and demonstrate butt plugs? Health/PE? Why should teachers bring up butt plugs and explain the use to all kids in a class? That's my objection. There is no reason in middle school to bring up these topics. There should be no reason to bring bdsm and what it covers with 5-13 year olds. Anatomy and Sex ed should have basic topics at that age. Again why should this book be in the same library were all ages can find it. You're fine with an 8 year old reading this material?
You didn't answer the question. Are you for banning this book in elementary schools?
In a graphic way? There's much more to this book. It's called "This one summer". Why is it in schools with 5-11 year olds? It's rated for 12+. 13 copies were in elementary schools. Where do you not see the disconnect? I have explained this to you.
I don't know about schools in Florida, but it also isn't kids running around the library unsupervised around here.
Why did you move the discussion from a library to a classroom?
I think the topics are too advanced for 5th graders.
12+ would be 7th grade on up. If the elementary schools go up to 7th and 8th graders (as mine did), I could see it on the shelves there.
We haven't been discussing pornography at all. We've been discussing a presentation of information, two graphic novels, and one picture of a book. Pornography has the primary purpose of titillation, and I don't see anything titillating in what you've presented.
If you like; certainly all of the left-of-center members here have been called those words collectively by the likes of JazzyFresh and SteakNEggs. I certainly won't expect that you're using those terms counter to how they are defined to stop you, nor expect you to care about false accusations regarding me.
8-years-olds get molested, which is the rape of child. Every time you talk about stranger-danger, you're talking about rape.
You're so terrible at this, you left in the comma, indicating there was more to see. D- trolling.
That definition perfectly describes the material posted in this thread. Yes, we are talking about pornography and providing it to elementary-aged children in school libraries.
Welp AIO is a straight up malicious liar. We have the receipts. Who could have guessed?
AIO knew his statement was false. He intended to defame our friend One Brow with this known misrepresentation. He absolutely intended to mislead other forum users with a purposefully incorrect, in fact manipulated representation that was presented as coming from an authoritative source.
If you are going to argue intentions, then it isn't you or me that matter. It is the intentions of the producer of the work, and the producer of this work has been crystal clear the intended audience is the demographic that would find one boy blowing another to be sexually arousing. Even by the definition you want to use, it is still pornography.
Your credibility here is zero. In a quick search, I saw a lot of conservatives calling it sexually arousing, which is pretty creepy IMO. I didn't find anywhere Kobabe said so.
Then you didn't look very hard. Kobabe is all over everywhere saying the book was intended for a young gay and non-binary audience. It was intended for the target demographic what would find one boy blowing another to be arousing. Even by the definition you want to use, it is still pornography.
I've been very clear that I don't have an issue with the material being available for 7th and 8th graders, and it is not appropriate for 5th graders (which you quoted me on). I've been clear that the answer for elementary school libraries depends upon whether the school has 7th-8th grade. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to understand the concepts. I think you're getting emotionally overwrought.
I see. I agree you should stop debating this with me, and work through your feelings.
Crazy, let’s see the intended readers age…
I agree on the intended audience. That doesn't support the intention to write a sexually explicit book. For most people, knowing that people are gay and/or non-binary is not sexually arousing in and of itself. Maybe that's your kink?
You have provided zero evidence for this, as expected.
As a side note, I'm disappointed that you aren't more open and have resorted to gay bashing those who may be exploring some things.
You still didn’t answer the question for the third time. Calling out people for not being credible. You have 0 credibility. You cant even answer a basic question. I’ll ask you again, one last time.
Stupid reply with no substance. More evidence of your 0 credibility.
I've provided zero evidence that individuals who are gay sexually would find graphic images depicting gay sex to be arousing? Uh, okay.
