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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Bilal’s per 36 in France’s A League:

10 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.5 SPG

Ntilikina’s per 36 in France’s A League:

10.2 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.5 SPG
 
Bilal’s per 36 in France’s A League:

10 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.5 SPG

Sekou’s per 36 in France’s A League:

14.8 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.4 SPG
 
Elizah Huge said:
I literally didn’t even say anything about him except I posted his 3PT% in the playoffs. I’m sorry that you are so defensive about your favorite prospect.

If you weren’t so defensive you could have posted his other stats from the playoffs.
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Sure, I'm the defensive one here lol. I think it's funny you're the guy obsessed with SSS like it's meaningful after lecturing me about how it doesn't mean a thing for Flip. Like I said, pick one or the other. I think it still matters. You won't see me saying Bilal's shot is amazing. I didn't even say whether or not the 9 game sample matters. If I was truly glazing him I would say it doesn't matter at all just like you did with Flip. Bilal's shot is a question mark, I don't hide from that. There's a reason why the two guys I say he's most similar to in the NBA are not good shooters. If you think Bilal's shooting is a question mark, I'd agree with that. It's a question mark for more than half of the top 10 guys, so I don't feel the need to proclaim he's a good shooter to place him where I have him.

I also think it's funny that @Saint Cy of JFC has to keep making up fake positions that I never had. I never said it's impossible for a player to improve after a bad freshman shooting season, I just said it's less likely that he will and the extent to how bad the shooting was matters. But of course, had to make up an extreme version of my argument to try to make me look bad. Just hilarious whenever you guys make up the other side of the argument. I replied to point out the extreme hypocrisy in how you evaluate someone you "like" and someone you "dislike". Especially because you decided to make up the reason why I disagreed on a point about Cam because I was "glazing" him or whatever. My response to the "glazing" accusation would be: pot meet kettle.

If you guys were so confident in your opinions, maybe you wouldn't have to make up the other side of the argument to debate against.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Bilal’s and Ntilikina’s stats look pretty similar at the same age in the same league.
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edit: redoing the stats because I included youth competitions which I don't put much value in...

here it is...

Frank 19.3min/5.38pts/2.27rbs/1.51ast/0.73stl/0.2blk......... .532 TS%
Bilal 20.1min/6.03pts/3.03rbs/1.00ast/0.91stl/0.17blk...... .600 TS%

I guess the biggest difference is in efficiency... and still... from what I gather the biggest appeal of Bilal is his rapid development(late bloomer) and the fact that he actually played at high level and in games that mattered.
 
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Ntilikina and Sekou both played on playoff teams and Ntilikina ended up playing 4 more playoff games than Bilal on one of the top-3 teams in the league.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Don't we keep the 2024 pick if its lower than 10th? It bumps to the following draft with different restrictions if I recall. I think it graduates to a couple of seconds later.
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I thought it was the opposite. I think it is top 10 protected so if we land in any spot 10 and up we keep the pick and it moves to the next year. If we draft say 12th then OKC gets it. I think that is how it works.
 
Has there been one single good player in the NBA that has came from France’s A League since Gobert in 2013?

Killian Hayes, Theo Maledon, Sekou Doumbouya, Frank Ntilikina, etc.
 
stitches said:
edit: redoing the stats because I included youth competitions which I don't put much value in...

here it is...

Frank 19.3min/5.38pts/2.27rbs/1.51ast/0.73stl/0.2blk......... .532 TS%
Bilal 20.1min/6.03pts/3.03rbs/1.00ast/0.91stl/0.17blk...... .600 TS%

I guess the biggest difference is in efficiency...
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Like I said, he's got shades of Exum in the good and bad ways. The offensive production/role is one of the bad ways. Offensively, he's pretty far away and I guess you have to make the judgement call on how far is too far away to materialize into something great? That's a real question mark. Defensively I think he's not far away and could step into the NBA. One of the reasons why I like him is that I think worst case scenario he has a soft landing as a Derrick Jones Jr type player.

Obviously a big part of Bilal's case is the physical tools themselves. He is a much better from a physical standpoint than Exum/Frank and doesn't have the "needs to be a PG" tag to him. He's a physical specimen for a wing whereas as Exum/Frank were only specimens compared to other PG's. If you gave them more size+athleticism (or health) they probably could have stuck it out in the NBA. But beyond the physical tools themselves, I think you're also taking a bet on his trajectory as a late bloomer. He's improved more than just about any prospect in the last year. You look back 3 months, 6 moths, 12 months etc. and you see a different player. He was not even a part of the team to begin the season and ended as a starter playing his basketball in the playoffs. Does the train stop here, or are we going to the moon? I personally like betting on the late bloomer, but it's an interesting question.

Let's just say for arguments sake that Bilal and Frank are at the same level predraft. Do you prefer the Frank type trajectory (high pedigree who has been on radar for years but stagnated) or do you prefer Bilal (came out of nowhere and rose up)?
 
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