Welcome in the middle of rebuilding.

[framer]

This is good news in my opinion, even though I don't personally love Porzingis. I was getting the feeling that we were waiting for a super star to become available before we used any of our assets. I would prefer we try and be as good as possible while maintaining flexibility. I'd also love to see some concern for fit within whatever type of team they are working to build is going to look like.

The only other thing I would point out is that we have to be a little bit careful on playing time for our young guys to the point that we don't significantly delay/limit their development. I do think it's possible to develop and win, but it's a tricky balance.

It has been my experience that the best way to develop rookies is to surround them with good players. That way, when they get their shot to play, they can come in and do something meaningful. I'm not a fine of throwing a bunch of inexperienced talent into a pot to "let them cook." The rooks will get a shot, and when they do it won't be glorified summer league play.

 

[Doc Cherno]

I'm there for the Dunn/Keyonte Kool-Aid.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

There's a scenario where the Jazz are a .500 team and make the play-in/playoffs. However, the team seems to be in asset-acquisition and churning mode, given the recent trade rumors. I could see the Jazz trading out THT, Sexton, Olynyk and/or Clarkson during the season if they receive solid offers.

 

[HermanG]

I feel like people get lost in the so called timelines of rebuilds when in reality it usually comes to down to hitting on a couple great players. So many teams go in and out of rebuilds constantly because they never hit on those really good players and don't have the patience to stay down and start to aggressively add guys to a young core that simply isn't good enough and they get stuck in no mans land for a few years. Then once they realize they are in no mans land they start it all over again. If you are patient and do it right then the window to do something special should be almost a decade. Particularly if you did a solid job of collecting future draft assets to offset roster turnover and vet regression. For our team pretty much every player is still a bit of a question mark which is why I didn't like the idea of a heavy win now move for a 33yr old like Holiday. I'm sure I will get some push back on calling Lauri a question mark but he has only done it one season. For me to have 100% confidence in him I need to see a repeat of that level of production and I think he probably will. There are plenty of other guys that I like a lot as well but we haven't seen enough from them to know for sure.

You lack faith, I get it. Whatever I say about cap flexibility, maximizing windows, playoff proofing or steps towards contention wont change that.

However the tea leaves are there to read, and the FO wont go into "The Process", no matter how much you want it. There were plenty of people advocating for us to trade Lauri (et al) last year. The FO had every right to do it but they opted not to. They chose to keep them as building blocks.

You can swim against the current or grab some popcorn. Your choice.

 

[HermanG]

There's a scenario where the Jazz are a .500 team and make the play-in/playoffs. However, the team seems to be in asset-acquisition and churning mode, given the recent trade rumors. I could see the Jazz trading out THT, Sexton, Olynyk and/or Clarkson during the season if they receive solid offers.

What recent trade rumors have there been that indicate we are accumulating assets? Last ones I heard were that we were using them to get Herro or Holiday.

Plus TC competition will likely decide who we sell if we even outright sell guys. I think we will look to consolidate and upgrade instead, and only sell outright if its the best value deal.

 

[homeytennis]

Romeo Langford is an interesting signing. The conventional wisdom is that he is here to play for the Stars. He was a lottery selection by Ainge one pick after Tyler Herro was drafted. I'm thinking he is here to fill the void after the Jazz do some roster churning. Obviously DA like him.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

If Dunn played like he did last season then he would definitely be a starter in the nba on a quite a few teams. He was fantastic.
18 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds on 54% from the field and 47% from three while playing great defense (1.6 steals) and not turning the ball over (2.2) is pretty damn amazing.
6 foot 3. 205 lbs (good size). 29 years old (prime).

Can he continue to play like that? No idea but that is definitely nba starting pg level play.

Your first sentence is 100% correct though. We are literally the only team in the nba with Dunn or THT as an option to start at pg since we are literally the only team in the nba with Dunn and THT on our roster lol.

shout out to Dunn's incredibly long arms. He almost doesn't look real.

 

[underdog]

This is good news in my opinion, even though I don't personally love Porzingis. I was getting the feeling that we were waiting for a super star to become available before we used any of our assets. I would prefer we try and be as good as possible while maintaining flexibility. I'd also love to see some concern for fit within whatever type of team they are working to build is going to look like.

The only other thing I would point out is that we have to be a little bit careful on playing time for our young guys to the point that we don't significantly delay/limit their development. I do think it's possible to develop and win, but it's a tricky balance.

Yes, many teams in the past have fallen into this trap. They get a superstar or couple of stars before they are otherwise ready, and then they are stuck (good but not good enough) because they can’t find (or can’t afford) the missing piece/pieces (usually defensive and depth).

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

What recent trade rumors have there been that indicate we are accumulating assets? Last ones I heard were that we were using them to get Herro or Holiday.

Plus TC competition will likely decide who we sell if we even outright sell guys. I think we will look to consolidate and upgrade instead, and only sell outright if its the best value deal.

Herro's situation and contract are similar to John Collins. He's an asset whom the Jazz could acquire at a reasonably low trade cost and keep as a trade chip when a bigger contract is needed. Not sure what the thinking was with Jrue.

There were rumors that Colin Sexton was made available for trade, and the Herro rumors normally involved THT and Olynyk, both of whom are expiring after this season.

 

[HermanG]

Herro's situation and contract are similar to John Collins. He's an asset whom the Jazz could acquire at a reasonably low trade cost and keep as a trade chip when a bigger contract is needed. Not sure what the thinking was with Jrue.

There were rumors that Colin Sexton was made available for trade, and the Herro rumors normally involved THT and Olynyk.

The key part in your response is bolded. If you think "buyer" instead of "seller", it all makes sense.

Jrue, Porzingis, Herro... all upgrades. Two in a clear position of need.

I think last Sexton rumors clearly coming from Jazz actively shopping him are from June when we tried to trade up to get Anthony Black... so over 3 months ago. After that all I remember is the rumors that Bucks were supposedly interested.

Could be wrong on Sexton though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The key part in your response is bolded. If you think "buyer" instead of "seller", it all makes sense.

Jrue, Porzingis, Herro... all upgrades. Two in a clear position of need.

I think last Sexton rumors clearly coming from Jazz actively shopping him are from June when we tried to trade up to get Anthony Black... so over 3 months ago. After that all I remember is the rumors that Bucks were supposedly interested.

Could be wrong on Sexton though.

You're not. The Jazz are excited to trade Sexton. Im sure they don't want to dump him though and will hope he can play very well the first half of this season

 

[HermanG]

You're not. The Jazz are excited to trade Sexton. Im sure they don't want to dump him though and will hope he can play very well the first half of this season

You might end up being right about Sexton. If the reports are true and Keyonte is smashing it in the TC warranting solid rotation minutes or even a start.. then DA really gotta thin out the guards.

No reason to keep rotation quality guys on the bench losing value and cause an unnecessary roster crunch elsewhere. Clarkson is only trade eligible after January 7th, so gotta be one (or more) of the others.