Game Thread Oct 16, 2023 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. New Zealand Breakers (Preseason)

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He was great at it. Particularly in the post where he would body up and then use his fadeaway.

Yeah, I wouldn't call having to use a fader as creating separation...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Rewatched Brice' scouting reports. Yeah, he definitely was not creating space in college. He was hitting tough as hells shots with people right in his grill. He was great at operating in limited space.

 

[underdog]

Rewatched Brice' scouting reports. Yeah, he definitely was not creating space in college. He was hitting tough as hells shots with people right in his grill. He was great at operating in limited space.

Brice will be a big headache for defenders. At 6 foot 6 and 230 pounds with good footwork, it’s hard to stop him from getting to his spots in the paint. And from there he’s lethal. And not only that, he can shoot 3s. The kid just needs more time to develop his other skills and stay healthy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Brice will be a big headache for defenders. At 6 foot 6 and 230 pounds with good footwork, it’s hard to stop him from getting to his spots in the paint. And from there he’s lethal. And not only that, he can shoot 3s. The kid just needs more time to develop his other skills and stay healthy.

Sure, but he has to learn to do that over NBA length and actually do other things as well (defend/playmake).

 

[underdog]

Sure, but he has to learn to do that over NBA length and actually do other things as well (defend/playmake).

That's what I was saying. The kid is only 19 and has time on his side.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's what I was saying. The kid is only 19 and has time on his side.

Sure, but the odds aren't. Most late round picks simply don't make it

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Brice might be able to get a bit more explosive with some additional fat loss. Seems like he has a strong build but looks like he’s in better shape than college… his starting point was worse than Keys and he had rehab in there too… so it’s pretty great there is some improvement there at all.

He might be a guy that just kinda bullies dudes to get his shot off. I wasn’t moved by his play one way or another last night. When Key stepped on the court you can see his movements right away were explosive.

Getting one ready made rookie and two promising projects is a fine draft for where we are.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Sure, but the odds aren't. Most late round picks simply don't make it

He was a late round pick because of his knee. If he can stay healthy it was a good pickup, and was a good risk pick to take when they already had two other first round selections.

 

[infection]

Locke brought up Morris Almond. That felt like the right comp. Looked slow and like he had no clue what to do when he didn't have the ball in his hands.

That's great. Always good when someone like Locke throws some cold water on things to damped expectation. Overall, just a really bad strategy to bring in three first rounders. Obviously we don't know what was or could have been on the table in terms of parlaying (particularly that last pick) into something in the future but, barring some large multi-player trade, our roster crunch and already having two guys coming off their rookie season was pretty predictable to know that using all three picks on three players was going to default you into have a couple guys that you can't really develop. I don't like the idea of only irrigating a portion of your yard but then buying sod for the whole property and saying "just throw that over on the dry dirt and we'll see what happens." First rounders hold a lot of (inflated) value. We can use that stuff to get pieces we need, but drafting them is like a brand new car you drive off the lot and experience massive depreciation (pre-covid). The two times I remember having three picks was when we took Quincy Lewis, Scott Padgett and then did the draft-and-stash with Kirilenko. Lewis and Padgett ended up being completely pointless. We didn't have time and weren't interested in developing those guys and then they just fizzled out of the league. The other was Humphries, Snyder and Podkolzin in 2004. We ended up trading Podkolzin to Dallas for a future pick, which we then were able to use to include in the deal that moved us up for DWill.

tl;dr actually drafting three guys in the first round is most often stupid and almost always a waste of resources.

 

[underdog]

Sure, but the odds aren't. Most late round picks simply don't make it

I actually had Brice before Hendricks and Key on my draft board. Well, who knows. Time will tell.

 

[framer]

That's great. Always good when someone like Locke throws some cold water on things to damped expectation. Overall, just a really bad strategy to bring in three first rounders. Obviously we don't know what was or could have been on the table in terms of parlaying (particularly that last pick) into something in the future but, barring some large multi-player trade, our roster crunch and already having two guys coming off their rookie season was pretty predictable to know that using all three picks on three players was going to default you into have a couple guys that you can't really develop. I don't like the idea of only irrigating a portion of your yard but then buying sod for the whole property and saying "just throw that over on the dry dirt and we'll see what happens." First rounders hold a lot of (inflated) value. We can use that stuff to get pieces we need, but drafting them is like a brand new car you drive off the lot and experience massive depreciation (pre-covid). The two times I remember having three picks was when we took Quincy Lewis, Scott Padgett and then did the draft-and-stash with Kirilenko. Lewis and Padgett ended up being completely pointless. We didn't have time and weren't interested in developing those guys and then they just fizzled out of the league. The other was Humphries, Snyder and Podkolzin in 2004. We ended up trading Podkolzin to Dallas for a future pick, which we then were able to use to include in the deal that moved us up for DWill.

tl;dr actually drafting three guys in the first round is most often stupid and almost always a waste of resources.

I mean all three guys are 19. Normally it takes a couple years to do anything with a player that young. I get your point if any of these guys were upperclassmen, but we got time and a g league. I'd rather have them there than playing another year of college. You can easily think of Hendricks as our 24 draft pick if that helps.

 

[infection]

I mean all three guys are 19. Normally it takes a couple years to do anything with a player that young. I get your point if any of these guys were upperclassmen, but we got time and a g league. I'd rather have them there than playing another year of college. You can easily think of Hendricks as our 24 draft pick if that helps.

I view it more like buying a brand new car for your 12 year old to have when they turn 16. Cross that bridge when you get there. You want to keep the cash around? Great! I favor keeping the cash rather than buying the car, having its value depreciate to a point where you'd take a huge loss if you moved it, and now you've gotta clear out space in the garage or let it be exposed to the elements and vandals out on the curb.