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Game Thread Oct 16, 2023 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. New Zealand Breakers (Preseason)

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That's great. Always good when someone like Locke throws some cold water on things to damped expectation. Overall, just a really bad strategy to bring in three first rounders. Obviously we don't know what was or could have been on the table in terms of parlaying (particularly that last pick) into something in the future but, barring some large multi-player trade, our roster crunch and already having two guys coming off their rookie season was pretty predictable to know that using all three picks on three players was going to default you into have a couple guys that you can't really develop. I don't like the idea of only irrigating a portion of your yard but then buying sod for the whole property and saying "just throw that over on the dry dirt and we'll see what happens." First rounders hold a lot of (inflated) value. We can use that stuff to get pieces we need, but drafting them is like a brand new car you drive off the lot and experience massive depreciation (pre-covid). The two times I remember having three picks was when we took Quincy Lewis, Scott Padgett and then did the draft-and-stash with Kirilenko. Lewis and Padgett ended up being completely pointless. We didn't have time and weren't interested in developing those guys and then they just fizzled out of the league. The other was Humphries, Snyder and Podkolzin in 2004. We ended up trading Podkolzin to Dallas for a future pick, which we then were able to use to include in the deal that moved us up for DWill.

tl;dr actually drafting three guys in the first round is most often stupid and almost always a waste of resources.
I should have been more careful. What Locke said was Brice is a high usage guy like Morris Almond was in college and that it didn't translate for Almond as it doesn't for many guys that never figure out out how to be productive off ball. I'm not writing Brice off, but he certainly has adjustments to work on.
 
He was very good at using his body to create separation in college.
Yeah... when that's how you score in college at 6'6'' (which is generous IMO), you're gonna have real trouble in the NBA.

Most of these undersized "bully ball" dudes are destined for an overseas career.
 
Yeah... when that's how you score in college at 6'6'' (which is generous IMO), you're gonna have real trouble in the NBA.

Most of these undersized "bully ball" dudes are destined for an overseas career.
Just stop it. That was just one of the many ways he scored in college. He was a legit 3 level scorer in college. The kid is extremely skilled offensively.
 
That's great. Always good when someone like Locke throws some cold water on things to damped expectation. Overall, just a really bad strategy to bring in three first rounders. Obviously we don't know what was or could have been on the table in terms of parlaying (particularly that last pick) into something in the future but, barring some large multi-player trade, our roster crunch and already having two guys coming off their rookie season was pretty predictable to know that using all three picks on three players was going to default you into have a couple guys that you can't really develop. I don't like the idea of only irrigating a portion of your yard but then buying sod for the whole property and saying "just throw that over on the dry dirt and we'll see what happens." First rounders hold a lot of (inflated) value. We can use that stuff to get pieces we need, but drafting them is like a brand new car you drive off the lot and experience massive depreciation (pre-covid). The two times I remember having three picks was when we took Quincy Lewis, Scott Padgett and then did the draft-and-stash with Kirilenko. Lewis and Padgett ended up being completely pointless. We didn't have time and weren't interested in developing those guys and then they just fizzled out of the league. The other was Humphries, Snyder and Podkolzin in 2004. We ended up trading Podkolzin to Dallas for a future pick, which we then were able to use to include in the deal that moved us up for DWill.

tl;dr actually drafting three guys in the first round is most often stupid and almost always a waste of resources.
I don’t think it’s ideal but it’s fine imo. We may have attempted to go with a guy more proven or older on one of the picks but I think the success rate of picks is really what leads this to look bad. I’m fine taking 3 swings and hoping to get 1-2 hits.

I’d have to look at history of teams taking 3 guys and where they were picked to see if there is something predictive about it. I assume if we could have gotten a solid future first for #28 we may have done that. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend breaking up the pick into a bunch of seconds… which is what seems to be most available. We also know DA gives zero effs about second rounders.
 
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Just stop it. That was just one of the many ways he scored in college. He was a legit 3 level scorer in college. The kid is extremely skilled offensively.
It's a legitimate concern. He is skilled offensively, but it's skill operating in tight spaces. When those tight spaces are suddenly inhabited by bigger longer better athletes, not all guys who have that skillset translate.
 
I don’t think it’s ideal but it’s fine imo. We may have attempted to go with a guy more proven or older on one of the picks but I think the success rate of picks is really what leads this to look bad. I’m fine taking 3 swings and hoping to get 1-2 hits.

I’d have to look at history of teams taking 3 guys and where they were picked to see if there is something predictive about it. I assume if we could have gotten a solid future first for #28 we may have done that. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend breaking up the pick into a bunch of seconds… which is what seems to be most available. We also know DA gives zero effs about second rounders.
Also we were in a weird spot where we have a bunch of rotation players already so even if we took a more established guy we’d be likely seeing DNPs. With the g league we have a tool now to prepare and also keep the value of our guys up even if they aren’t playing. Get em in the door now so hopefully we get production or can improve the asset value (likely depreciates but not completely tanks).
 
It's a legitimate concern. He is skilled offensively, but it's skill operating in tight spaces. When those tight spaces are suddenly inhabited by bigger longer better athletes, not all guys who have that skillset translate.
Yes but the college court is so cramped already that nba space may negate some of that. It’s a concern but I’d be more concerned about the defense. I think I have enough faith in his shot making that he can overcome some of those issues.
 
A player's environment really matters, especially for the can't miss guys, but I don't really feel like it was a mistake to draft 3 rookies. I don't think this was a loaded team to begin with. Keyonte has earned that time, but if he wasn't good, the Jazz figure to depending on a different rookie to fill the time or turn to very fringe players like Simone/Luka instead. There's ample opportunity to get PT, but the GLeague is probably an underutilized resource to begin with. I'd agree that there is some new car off the lot effect with drafting, but I think all our rooks are in a position to succeed.
 
Yes but the college court is so cramped already that nba space may negate some of that. It’s a concern but I’d be more concerned about the defense. I think I have enough faith in his shot making that he can overcome some of those issues.
Yes, at the end of the day any player type can fail, but it's pretty easy to see how Brice fails.
 
It's a legitimate concern. He is skilled offensively, but it's skill operating in tight spaces. When those tight spaces are suddenly inhabited by bigger longer better athletes, not all guys who have that skillset translate.

Self created offense is the hardest thing to do, I think it's fair to question how much that translates. I think he will be able to get buckets in a pinch, but realistically he's not going to be able to do what only a handful of guys can do in the first place. Having said that, his skill level might be high enough to be a really good supporting offensive player. If he can be a knockdown shooter who can put the ball on the floor a little bit he can be a pro. I think he can carve out a George Niang style career. At #28, if he makes it to his second deal it's a win.
 
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