Israel-Hamas War

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Saying they're calling for Israel's elimination is being generous. They want the Jews eliminated, and it is happening here.

A 65-year old Jewish man named Paul Kessler was beat to death in public by a "pro-Palestinian" activist. The day before that, a "pro-Palestinian" activist named Ruba Almaghtheh drove her car into what she thought was a Jewish school with the expressed intent to kill Jewish kids. This isn't political or about territory. They want Jews dead. Anyone saying "from the river to the sea" is nothing less than a Nazi-sympathizer.

 

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Saying they're calling for Israel's elimination is being generous. They want the Jews eliminated, and it is happening here.

A 65-year old Jewish man named Paul Kessler was beat to death in public by a "pro-Palestinian" activist. The day before that, a "pro-Palestinian" activist named Ruba Almaghtheh drove her car into what she thought was a Jewish school with the expressed intent to kill Jewish kids. This isn't political or about territory. They want Jews dead. Anyone saying "from the river to the sea" is nothing less than a Nazi-sympathizer.

Yes, it has me extremely worried. I can only imagine what went through the minds of nearly 150,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel on October 7…….

 

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Yes, it has me extremely worried. I can only imagine what went through the minds of nearly 150,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel on October 7…….

To me it is the reaction afterwards that is far more troubling. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are known quantities. They're terrorists. They kill people. It is the massive swarm protests, in places like London, supporting the actions of the Hamas terrorists. This was even before Israel did anything in response. It was a display of how widespread hatred of Jews is in even western society. It isn't just Jews living near a wall in Southern Israel who are in danger. It is all Jews, everywhere. Paul Kessler lived in Los Angeles. We now have a large number of know-nothing college kids in America who think killing Jews is serving the cause of social justice. We have a member of congress using her platform to spew genocidal rhetoric, and she seems to believe the number of like-minded people here in the United States is numerous enough to swing the presidential election.

 

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To me it is the reaction afterwards that is far more troubling. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are known quantities. They're terrorists. They kill people. It is the massive swarm protests, in places like London, supporting the actions of the Hamas terrorists. This was even before Israel did anything in response. It was a display of how widespread hatred of Jews is in even western society. It isn't just Jews living near a wall in Southern Israel who are in danger. It is all Jews, everywhere. Paul Kessler lived in Los Angeles. We now have a large number of know-nothing college kids in America who think killing Jews is serving the cause of social justice. We have a member of congress using her platform to spew genocidal rhetoric, and she seems to believe the number of like-minded people here in the United States is numerous enough to swing the presidential election.

The issue is less Palestinians supporting Hamas right after the attacks and more the shift from support of Israel to support of Gaza. It's not support of Hamas, but support of the women and children who are being massacred. Netanyahu ****ed up.

 

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The issue is less Palestinians supporting Hamas right after the attacks and more the shift from support of Israel to support of Gaza. It's not support of Hamas, but support of the women and children who are being massacred. Netanyahu ****ed up.

Hamas never had a chance to gain territory or more power vs Israel through military action. The best they could do was to provoke Israel into an over reaction and Israel has decided to play along. Every dead Palastinian baby is a victory for Hamas, Hezbolah (sp?), and Iran.

 

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It's not support of Hamas, but support of the women and children who are being massacred.

That is a straight up lie. The overwhelming number of protests on October 7 and 8 were in support of those who killed women and children. These vocal groups hate Jews. They hated Jews when Hamas was killing them. They hate Jews when they fight back. The arguments may change but always it is about Jew hatred. There is no course of action the Jews could take that would change the minds of those calling for Israel's destruction. The only mistake Israel could make right now is to bow to international pressure and adopt some sort of half-measure. They need to follow the same roadmap to peace that King Hussein of Jordan and Assad of Syria used when handling Palestinian uprisings in their own country. If it was good enough for Muslim nations, it should be good enough for a mixed Muslim/Jewish one.

 

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To me it is the reaction afterwards that is far more troubling. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood are known quantities. They're terrorists. They kill people. It is the massive swarm protests, in places like London, supporting the actions of the Hamas terrorists. This was even before Israel did anything in response. It was a display of how widespread hatred of Jews is in even western society. It isn't just Jews living near a wall in Southern Israel who are in danger. It is all Jews, everywhere. Paul Kessler lived in Los Angeles. We now have a large number of know-nothing college kids in America who think killing Jews is serving the cause of social justice. We have a member of congress using her platform to spew genocidal rhetoric, and she seems to believe the number of like-minded people here in the United States is numerous enough to swing the presidential election.

Who is the member of congress you speak of?

 

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That is a straight up lie. The overwhelming number of protests on October 7 and 8 were in support of those who killed women and children. These vocal groups hate Jews. They hated Jews when Hamas was killing them. They hate Jews when they fight back. The arguments may change but always it is about Jew hatred. There is no course of action the Jews could take that would change the minds of those calling for Israel's destruction. The only mistake Israel could make right now is to bow to international pressure and adopt some sort of half-measure. They need to follow the same roadmap to peace that King Hussein of Jordan and Assad of Syria used when handling Palestinian uprisings in their own country. If it was good enough for Muslim nations, it should be good enough for a mixed Muslim/Jewish one.

I was talking about the shift among the rest of the world, people who are pro-Israel but disagree with Netanyahu's actions in Gaza. I don't know the answer for Israel but right now they are losing the optics war.

 

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I was talking about the shift among the rest of the world, people who are pro-Israel but disagree with Netanyahu's actions in Gaza. I don't know the answer for Israel but right now they are losing the optics war.

I've seen no shift at all. It started as anti-Jew. It is still anti-Jew. As said earlier, all of the mass gatherings that made the news in the immediate aftermath of the October 7 attacks were pro-Palestinian. All of them. Over a thousand Jews had been murdered by Hamas and there were no sizable gatherings in support of Israel. There is no way for Israel to win the optics war because their multi-racial society is ~75% Jewish.

If you've never met a truly antisemitic person, it will change your opinion of humans. I'm not talking about ignorant American kids who don't know history but see the world in oppressors and oppressed, but genuinely antisemitic people. There was a guy I once knew from India. He'd only been in the US for a couple years, and when he'd talk about Jews it was shocking. Humans can harbor a depth of hatred that I can't fathom. I have been wronged and badly wounded in my life, but I've never felt the level of hatred I could see in him, and it was toward people he'd never met but were born wrong.

Trying to win an unwinnable optics battle is a wasted effort. If they are going to lose the optics battle anyway, they should at least take care of what needs to be taken care of. The head of Hamas has said October 7 was only the first. He vowed Hamas would strike again, and again, and again until there were no Jews left alive between the river and the sea. Hamas needs to be wiped out completely.

 

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Who is the member of congress you speak of?

Rashida Tlaib.

 

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Rashida Tlaib.

Who does she think trash talking jews will swing the presidential election in favor to? I dont think I have heard either presidential candidate be really anti israel. If either has its been trump. I find it strange that Tlaib would want trump to win the presidential election as he has come off as anti muslim in the past.

 

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Who does she think trash talking jews will swing the presidential election in favor to? I dont think I have heard either presidential candidate be really anti israel. If either has its been trump. I find it strange that Tlaib would want trump to win the presidential election as he has come off as anti muslim in the past.

Being that Trump's favorite daughter is married to a Jew, I'd say that is a fair statement but Tlaib is a moron. I don't think she's thought that far ahead.

“Mr. President, the American people are not with you on this one ... We will remember in 2024.” --Rashida Tlaib

[Tlaib's] video – which features images of protests with chants of “Free Palestine” and ‘From the river to the sea” across Michigan, California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois and New York – ends with text that states: “Joe Biden supported the genocide of the Palestinian people,” “The American people won’t forget,” “Biden, support the ceasefire now,” and “Or don’t count on us in 2024.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/politics/tlaib-biden-palestinian-genocide/index.html