It’s fine but…..he’s not Dante but the defense was treating him like Dante. He should have had like 5+ more attempts from 3. There were 1-2 shots around the paint lot that he missed bc he wasn’t thinking about shooting. He will get there, but the sooner the better.
Game Thread Nov 08, 2023 05:00PM MT: Jazz at Pacers
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It’s fine but…..he’s not Dante but the defense was treating him like Dante. He should have had like 5+ more attempts from 3. There were 1-2 shots around the paint lot that he missed bc he wasn’t thinking about shooting. He will get there, but the sooner the better.
Jazz still can't stop anybody. Bench production is inconsistent. Wins will be hard to come by.
Thee Jazz Fan
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He came off the bench and had the second most turnovers and for some reason tried a backwards straight on layup that didn’t come close. Imagine how many turnovers and impossible shots he would’ve had had he started?
He’s the entire reason the jazz lost control of the game in the second quarter. At the end of the game I went to check his turnover numbers and was dumbfounded he only had 6. It felt like he had 9-10 in that game felt like he had 6 alone in the second quarter. He scored a lot but my got he ****ed over his team time after time. If you shoot 26 times you better score 38-46 pts.
He played 19 minutes and had the second most turnovers. Imagine if he got his 28-30 minutes.
Man, I hope not.
Lmfao. What a joke you are. We gave up the second fewest points in the 4th. We gave up more in second and third quarter.
Isaiah 1:13
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He’s the entire reason the jazz lost control of the game in the second quarter. At the end of the game I went to check his turnover numbers and was dumbfounded he only had 6. It felt like he had 9-10 in that game felt like he had 6 alone in the second quarter. He scored a lot but my got he ****ed over his team time after time. If you shoot 26 times you better score 38-46 pts.
Well Rome wasn’t built in a day ya know! Still an improvement over the hot trash he’s been serving. (I’m convinced that the guy cruised around in his GF’s tour van all offseason smoking dope and taking ecstasy).
I saw that 6TOs, but at least he remembered how to create for himself again. And somebody had to shoot as George refused to and Laurie had to patrol the paint tonight.
Well Rome wasn’t built in a day ya know! Still an improvement over the hot trash he’s been serving. (I’m convinced that the guy cruised around in his GF’s tour van all offseason smoking dope and taking ecstasy).
I saw that 6TOs, but at least he remembered how to create for himself again. And somebody had to shoot as George refused to and Laurie had to patrol the paint tonight.
FrenchJazzFa
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Just wathc replay as too busy today. You can't win in NBA without a minimum of defense. As long as we will play this level in defense, we can compete for bottom spot.
FrenchJazzFa
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Do not understand why Yurt did not play. Seems strange to me . I'm probably the only one here but i'm always disapointed with Ochai. Looks like a great potential guy who never really make it for me.
Tremendous Upside
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Takes:
- Will Hardy's gimmick **** is infuriating. Kessler goes out, so he flat out refuses to play our best remaining rim protector / post defender AND makes Lauri, an honest-to-God 7 footer and only the most important scorer on this team by far, use up all his energy by trying to cover the point of attack (which is something he obviously can't do against a powerful offensive team like the Pacers). Meanwhile, the low post behind Lauri is "defended" by guys like THT and Fontecchio. What a clown show.
- Speaking of Fontecchio – another guy who wants to shoot every time he touches the ball and can't stop anyone – the decision to play him instead of the human brick wall Yurt7 in this game is absolutely bizarre. Nether of them may have a future on this team (or in the NBA for that matter) but I refuse to believe Yurt would have allowed Turner to go crazy like that.
- Collins is 6'5''. Max.
- Clarkson with the 26 shots and 6 official turnovers (plus a ton he caused by throwing guys hand grenades, as usual). Sure he scored a lot. Give a rotation NBA player 26 shots and they're likely to do that. Anyway, I give up. It's the full JC experience. Not sure there's much more to say at this point.
- Key once again showed why he's BY FAR the best natural point guard on this team. He's not a "pure" PG by any means, but he recognizes when players are moving toward the basket and is willing & able to get them the ball in stride. Incredibly, none of the vet guards we have can do this with any consistency. Keyonte's biggest rookie flaw is telegraphing his cross court passes, but that's something playing in the NBA will cure pretty quickly I think. Guys are simply much longer and quicker than what he's seen before.
- Someone needs to tell Lauri this isn't the NBA Finals. The way he keeps sacrificing his body in early season games like this – on a tank-level team no less – is part commendable, part insane. Several times a hard stint on defense up top left him so exhausted that my guy looked like he was about to drop dead lumbering up court. I don't think that's really what we want.
- I've revised my earlier estimate. Collins is probably really 6'4''. Dude must have the most inflated official height in the League. Anyway, he was pretty good on offense again (and is still a rebounding beast) but his defense has been a huge disappointment, even knowing he was never a stopper. Collins can't do anything about his lack of size and length, but his effort on D leaves a lot to be desired. He's just a weak presence under the rim, avoiding contact and gifting guys layups. I don't really understand where he should be defending. His footspeed is OK for a 6'10' guy (which he is not) but meh for a SF size dude (which he is).
- Ochai was given an opportunity to redeem himself and failed utterly. So disappointing. I don't think it's out of the question that he's already marked as "expendable" in Danny's Excel sheet.
- Will Hardy's gimmick **** is infuriating. Kessler goes out, so he flat out refuses to play our best remaining rim protector / post defender AND makes Lauri, an honest-to-God 7 footer and only the most important scorer on this team by far, use up all his energy by trying to cover the point of attack (which is something he obviously can't do against a powerful offensive team like the Pacers). Meanwhile, the low post behind Lauri is "defended" by guys like THT and Fontecchio. What a clown show.
- Speaking of Fontecchio – another guy who wants to shoot every time he touches the ball and can't stop anyone – the decision to play him instead of the human brick wall Yurt7 in this game is absolutely bizarre. Nether of them may have a future on this team (or in the NBA for that matter) but I refuse to believe Yurt would have allowed Turner to go crazy like that.
- Collins is 6'5''. Max.
- Clarkson with the 26 shots and 6 official turnovers (plus a ton he caused by throwing guys hand grenades, as usual). Sure he scored a lot. Give a rotation NBA player 26 shots and they're likely to do that. Anyway, I give up. It's the full JC experience. Not sure there's much more to say at this point.
- Key once again showed why he's BY FAR the best natural point guard on this team. He's not a "pure" PG by any means, but he recognizes when players are moving toward the basket and is willing & able to get them the ball in stride. Incredibly, none of the vet guards we have can do this with any consistency. Keyonte's biggest rookie flaw is telegraphing his cross court passes, but that's something playing in the NBA will cure pretty quickly I think. Guys are simply much longer and quicker than what he's seen before.
- Someone needs to tell Lauri this isn't the NBA Finals. The way he keeps sacrificing his body in early season games like this – on a tank-level team no less – is part commendable, part insane. Several times a hard stint on defense up top left him so exhausted that my guy looked like he was about to drop dead lumbering up court. I don't think that's really what we want.
- I've revised my earlier estimate. Collins is probably really 6'4''. Dude must have the most inflated official height in the League. Anyway, he was pretty good on offense again (and is still a rebounding beast) but his defense has been a huge disappointment, even knowing he was never a stopper. Collins can't do anything about his lack of size and length, but his effort on D leaves a lot to be desired. He's just a weak presence under the rim, avoiding contact and gifting guys layups. I don't really understand where he should be defending. His footspeed is OK for a 6'10' guy (which he is not) but meh for a SF size dude (which he is).
- Ochai was given an opportunity to redeem himself and failed utterly. So disappointing. I don't think it's out of the question that he's already marked as "expendable" in Danny's Excel sheet.
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We need more of this Keyonte George fellow.
Also Hardy needs to do something about Clarkson. He was such a black hole and ended up taking more shots than Key and Lauri combined. He was "feeling it" but he needs to realize he is not the future, not even a very efficient player and he absolutely must stop taking over games.
Spend that energy on defense instead.
I bet once the tracking data is in we will see well over 50% of Clarksons shots being early to mid clock. Once he got to touch the ball, zoom said the dribble penetration.
Also Hardy needs to do something about Clarkson. He was such a black hole and ended up taking more shots than Key and Lauri combined. He was "feeling it" but he needs to realize he is not the future, not even a very efficient player and he absolutely must stop taking over games.
Spend that energy on defense instead.
I bet once the tracking data is in we will see well over 50% of Clarksons shots being early to mid clock. Once he got to touch the ball, zoom said the dribble penetration.
Maneesh
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You are made weird lieds about collins
Thee Jazz Fan
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We could use a small one month injury to Lauri to keel the top 3 draft pick good and healthy with a chance for the top pick. Keep it up Lauri!!