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The elephant in the room (Rudy Gobert)

There are multiple moves that looking back may seem bad. We bet the farm by trading two all stars and even potential HOF who were still in their prime, one of whom loved being in Utah. Danny got very lucky when he blew up the Celtics because the Nets imploded so his picks looked genius. I doubt lightning strikes twice. I just hope we use the picks to trade for some known talent in the near future. There were so many ways to move on from Rudy and Don without blowing it up.
Funny thing is, that the much ridiculed Rudy trade suddenly looking worse for us than the initially more of a win-win Cavs trade.

Lauri is a baller, Ochai has turned into a real boy, and Cavs future picks/swaps look way better than Minny picks atm.

If the rest of the Minny picks end up 25ish and turn into some future G Leaguers and the swaps are useless, then the value of that trade depends largely on Walker and George (ignoring tanking benefits here).
 
Moving Mike was the correct decision but moving him and NAW to the wolves was stupid. That move made zero sense when the wolves were desperate for some vet leadership to help stabilize things.
I love Mike but he didn't materially change the pick last year and we ended up doing really well on it. In a year I doubt Mike is able to continue to help all that much. He also may be out of their price range. It was a calculated risk but not a big mistake imo since we don't have their pick this year. They are in cap hell starting next year and will not likely retain Mike and/or Kyle Anderson. The still have great building blocks and the pick next year is likely in the 20s without a major injury. We ended up getting cornered a bit since LA really wanted Russell over Conley.
 
Moving Mike was the correct decision but moving him and NAW to the wolves was stupid. That move made zero sense when the wolves were desperate for some vet leadership to help stabilize things.
I believe the thought was that we were trading them Mike's hamstring than just Mike. Mike is an oft injured pg with a new contract coming up. That is more of a detrement long term. 2027, 2027, and 2029 are a long ways away.
 
Imagine thinking trading Conley was a big deal. I'm glad we moved him to a better situation. His effect on winning is quite minimal as is, and he will continue to decline.
 
My concern (which I'm sure is much more likely than it is not) is that our path forward at that point, as unlikely as appeared, is still a much higher probability in working out in the end than the path we've taken. The grass always feels greener with unrealized assets because you can mentally deal with the potential and not have to see the glaring weaknesses that manifest in the realization phases. If we ever return to the same heights we were at, we'll be faced with new challenges that lead to significant concern about a pathway forward. I don't think we fully realized or appreciated how unlikely it was we got to where we did and assumed it wouldn't be difficult to replicate that pathway forward but "without" the prior mistakes.
Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.
 
Zach Lowe said this is the best Rudy has played on either end for his career
I look almost all Minny game and have to agree. Rudy is even better than in Utah. The reason may not be necessary Rudy himself but guys around. Ant, Mac Daniels value defense, KAT move his a... as he never did before. Mike is Mike. NAW is a great defender as well. When i remember Don defense......
 
Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.
Ya I have been one of the posters who thought trading both was great (considering what we got for them) and the right move but your point is very valid and might have been the better move.

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Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.

If you are fine with being stuck in no mans land. The reality is that Mitchell had to be traded because we were quickly heading down the Hayward path with him. Keeping Rudy at that point just locks us in as an older middle of the pack team. Trading both guys was 100% the correct move. Where we ****ed up was not going full blown youth movement last year to jumpstart the rebuild. There is no reason that Olynyk and Clarkson should have been on the jazz roster last year and without them I think we are probably a mid 20 win team.
 
If you are fine with being stuck in no mans land. The reality is that Mitchell had to be traded because we were quickly heading down the Hayward path with him. Keeping Rudy at that point just locks us in as an older middle of the pack team. Trading both guys was 100% the correct move. Where we ****ed up was not going full blown youth movement last year to jumpstart the rebuild. There is no reason that Olynyk and Clarkson should have been on the jazz roster last year and without them I think we are probably a mid 20 win team.
I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
 
Rudy made an 18' jumper last night lmao
I always loved when he made a jumper on a game. Almost nothing would bring me greater joy during that era.

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I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
That might have worked. No way to really know though.

If I could go back and have control to do it differently then I think I would still do all the trades we did.
What I would want to change would be to get more in the Conley, vando, naw, Beasley, two seconds for 1 protected first deal and get more for bogey.
But idk if that could have been. Just seemed like we lost in both of those trades.

Definitely should have made the Conley trade way sooner, rested dudes more, traded away Clarkson and KO and tanked harder. Also definitely shouldn't have traded Conley to the team that we want to suck bad.

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Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.
That team in the last year of Don-Rudy had no soul. Intangibles matter. "I've never had a more depressing year as a sports fan . And I followed the late 1960s Phillies. That was not going to "self heal." It had to be blown up.
 
I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
Nobody knew Lauri was going to be this good for us - and, of course, there's no way of knowing if he would have been with Gobert still there, although I think they would have been complementary pieces. But I think Danny planned on tanking last year, and we were just better than anyone thought.
 
I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
We would have built a middle of the pack team just like before that was aging rapidly.
 
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