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John Collins = Marvin Williams

Handlogten's Heros said:
He's struggled "adapting to the system" because he sucks at some of the things we are asking out of him.. but its not a system issue
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That is not what the message was. It said:
the team has been frustrated with his slow uptake on learning the Jazz’s system on both ends of the floor.
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If the beat writers say that, and the system issues perfectly explain his on/off numbers as well as his poor ratings, then maybe it might be true.

Also didnt you just say 2 days ago that he is good, just not 25M good? Or was it someone else?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok bud.

Did you even read what I wrote about it or did you just see the title and decide because they aren't a 1:1 comp to each other you wanted to dunk on it?
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Yes your ridiculous ramblings of they’re both boring while putting up numbers is so dumb. First, Collins puts up numbers, isn’t boring to watch but makes tons of mistakes. Williams was boring didn’t put up numbers but was satisfying to have out there because he had a high IQ… don’t know if it was super high but he at least knew what he was doing. He made few mistakes, played within himself played defense and hit threes at a great rate. If winning basketball is boring then I hope at some point in the next few years the jazz are the most boring team in the league.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Yes your ridiculous ramblings of they’re both boring while putting up numbers is so dumb. First, Collins puts up numbers, isn’t boring to watch but makes tons of mistakes. Williams was boring didn’t put up numbers but was satisfying to have out there because he had a high IQ… don’t know if it was super high but he at least knew what he was doing. He made few mistakes, played within himself played defense and hit threes at a great rate. If winning basketball is boring then I hope at some point in the next few years the jazz are the most boring team in the league.
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Marvin shot 32 and 35 percent from 3 in UTA through 2 seasons.

Collins is shooting 37%...

So part of your thesis is flawed while what Im saying is proven to be more and more right.
 
Utah won 43 and 25 in two seasons of Marvin. Not exactly winning basketball. So again your thesis is flawed. Jazz will probably win 34-ish games this season, possibly more, so the win rate with Collins will likely be better than the average win rate of the two years of Marvin.
 
HermanG said:
That is not what the message was. It said:

If the beat writers say that, and the system issues perfectly explain his on/off numbers as well as his poor ratings, then maybe it might be true.

Also didnt you just say 2 days ago that he is good, just not 25M good? Or was it someone else?
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I am sure I said that or something similar. I understand the messaging but I don't think this is something that will click in per se... I just think he doesn't have the skills to do what we need him to... they may view it as slow to understand or whatevs but I think its just kinda who he is. I also think stuff that gets communicated and reported isn't like raw unfiltered truth. I don't necessarily have a problem with how they positioned it I just think its funny that its surprising or that people think its a mystery.

He's not a good passer or dribbler.. he's not some great defender that fills in the gaps. He's not a guy with some hidden talents or things that will unlock. He's good but he should make 12-13M a year not 25-28M a year. If he made that much he could come off the bench as a third big and be good in that role. It was fairly obvious to me from watching him in Atlanta and the only thing I thought that could tick up that would improve his value was his shooting... which has improved here but he's mostly just deadly from the corners and bad above the break... so even that is a bit limited.

At this point you live with it and manage it. Hardy is doing well imo but after the deadline you need to change the ratio of minutes for him and Kessler. Hope you can move him if someone gets desperate or dumb... after the deadline do what is best for the team.
 
John plays at a position where his replacements both give us something we desperately need. KO brings shooting and ball movement... Kessler brings elite rim protection. Both skills are more valuable to us because of other issues we have on the roster but are just more valuable in general than what John brings. For John to play 30 plus minutes on a good team the team will need a great playmaker in the backcourt or on the wing and a 5 that shoots and protects the rim. Otherwise he is best as a third big. We have a great third big type in KO. The acquisition never made sense and I think John has played as well as a reasonable person could expect.
 
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