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Handlogten's Heros said:
The pistons can’t trade two unprotected picks. They owe a pick that likely falls out of the protections in 2026 maybe. So earliest is 2028.

But yes this rule is undefeated. We had folks saying Collins couldn’t be moved for Ben Simmons a few games ago and now he’s had a few games and people don’t want to offload him for expiring money.

Jordan Clarkson also got this rule 3-4 weeks ago and people would have loved to be off his money.

I wouldn’t sell high on Sexton as I don’t think anyone would go high enough. Both JCs however have to still be considered…
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What's high enough tho? Doesn't have to be realistic or possible.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Pistons are desperate and they offer you their 2025 and 2027 unprotected for Sexton.

Do you say yes?

What kind of sell high deal for Sexton would you consider? A KOC Ringer article seemed to suggest Sexton might still be on the trading block with how high the Jazz are on Keyonte.
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Listening to the Mismatch today though KOC seems to be more on the side that the Jazz are keeping Sexton.

Still saying he thinks the Jazz look for deals on Clarkson.
 
2 unprotected picks from a team like Detroit or Charlotte or Washington would obviously be a trade you make for Collin. Those teams can't, won't offer it so I'm not going to discuss hypotheticals with Collin instead of just celebrating how insane this run is.

The real discussion point is how much of this is real and lasting? I think a lot of it is. I've seen real defensive improvement and his drives are so much more under control. His shot is so confident and he's a more willing passer. His percentages in the paint likely tail off... he's not Shaq lol. I still see him as very good there though and he's learned the drive and pivot until you can power through or find an open guy. Dunn and JC are both good at this. I've seen enough over a long enough period to think this is going to be a habit and not a flash in the pan.

If he is an efficient 20/5 guy who is not the worst defender on the floor at all times... well add that to Lauri and Walker and you are on to something. Still need Key, Taylor, to develop and still need to add someone on Lauri's level or Collin's new level... but there is enough upside with that team to forego the 2025 tank job I think we needed. Its still long odds to find another star in the draft and that team may top out lower than we want... but there is enough there to push forward thinking something could "pop".
 
With Collin and Lauri we are now getting like 50pts+ per 36 on 65%+TS.

Lauri is 15th in the league in scoring per 36, Collin is 19th. The 65% TS is on par with Giannis, Joel, etc. For the season Sexton is like 62% TS which is in Zion/Steph category. As a starter he is 65% which I suspect will drop a bit.

When you are getting that consistently and adding in some defensive support or one or two other good nights from either JC or Tech or Dunn etc.... you win a lot.

I think a lot of this is sustainable.
 
I still hesitate to put him up with guys like Brunson, Maxey, Fox etc. They've been doing it longer and I think they play in a way that puts more constant threat on the defense. Having said that, Sexton's production is already up there with those guys. His recent play rivals pretty much everyone in the league.

Once upon a time I thought Sexton could be like Fox if he improved his passing/BBIQ. I've definitely given up on him many times, so no victory laps, but I think that's where he could be headed as a player. I don't think he'll be putting up a crazy efficient 38/7 per36 or whatever he's doing now.....but and efficient 25/6 per36. Yeah I think that's possible.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
With Collin and Lauri we are now getting like 50pts+ per 36 on 65%+TS.

Lauri is 15th in the league in scoring per 36, Collin is 19th. The 65% TS is on par with Giannis, Joel, etc. For the season Sexton is like 62% TS which is in Zion/Steph category. As a starter he is 65% which I suspect will drop a bit.

When you are getting that consistently and adding in some defensive support or one or two other good nights from either JC or Tech or Dunn etc.... you win a lot.

I think a lot of this is sustainable.
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I agree and applaud.

They also both feed each other (spacing, passing, motions, screens, off ball activity), and can do it with the other on the bench (so not dependent of each other).

EDIT: And they both are capable of sparking up the crowd/team, as is Clarkson.
 
I need him over 30 minutes a night though. I know we are trying to walk a tight rope with JC as well but it needs to happen.
 
I think what's a little different about Sexton compared to other guards with similar production is that while he's not quite the heliocentric offensive engine the others are.....he's way better a producing in other ways like cutting, transition, broken plays etc. In the trade thread, everyone is afraid about what happens when he plays with a another ball hander....and I get that. I was totally against the THT+Sexton combo. But I think his skillset will allow him to play off of another guard and at some point we will want another guard to pair with him. Sexton + 4 guys who don't create with the ball is asking too much of him.
 
KqWIN said:
I think what's a little different about Sexton compared to other guards with similar production is that while he's not quite the heliocentric offensive engine the others are.....he's way better a producing in other ways like cutting, transition, broken plays etc. In the trade thread, everyone is afraid about what happens when he plays with a another ball hander....and I get that. I was totally against the THT+Sexton combo. But I think his skillset will allow him to play off of another guard and at some point we will want another guard to pair with him. Sexton + 4 guys who don't create with the ball is asking too much of him.
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Any primary ballhandler we get needs to be a ball mover. Even Dunn can get too dribbly sometimes. Haven't watched Murray enough but yes... Sexton is off ball a lot or isn't trying to be a point... not nearly as ball dominant as like JC. If someone else is shifting the defense then sending him to attack its a problem for the defense.

I think Dunn is a great compliment for Sexton. AC Fresh would likely be an upgrade but there aren't a lot of guys in that mold that fit defensively. Murray theoretically could be the guy. I don't want any part of Lavine though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Any primary ballhandler we get needs to be a ball mover. Even Dunn can get too dribbly sometimes. Haven't watched Murray enough but yes... Sexton is off ball a lot or isn't trying to be a point... not nearly as ball dominant as like JC. If someone else is shifting the defense then sending him to attack its a problem for the defense.

I think Dunn is a great compliment for Sexton. AC Fresh would likely be an upgrade but there aren't a lot of guys in that mold that fit defensively. Murray theoretically could be the guy. I don't want any part of Lavine though.
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I kinda think Lavine would be awesome offensively. Lavine is pretty versatile with and without the ball, I think he can change his game to be the right amount of on/off ball. Sexton is incredible right now no doubt, but I don't think we should be asking him to be THIS good to make our offense work. Defensively...I don't want to go through that again

I'm just cautious of drinking our own koolaid too much. Bald Eagle is amazing and would be amazing for us....but I still don't think 4 non creators is the way to go. As amazing as Sexton and the team is playing right now, I think there will be a point where we realize Dunn's deficiencies. I think we will eventually turn to JC, which is to say we need a more reliable 2way option. I'm very interested in Murray if his price is low enough.
 
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